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Dave Bloke

Britain will starve post brexit according to the Grauniad

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Brexit and the coming food crisis: ‘If you can’t feed a country, you haven’t got a country’ - claims Guardian

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/may/21/brexit-coming-food-crisis-seasonal-migrant-labour-eu

"British people don’t want to do these jobs" - I don't want to do my job much either to be honest.

I guess they still don't understand markets?

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3 minutes ago, davidg said:

Brexit and the coming food crisis: ‘If you can’t feed a country, you haven’t got a country’ - claims Guardian

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/may/21/brexit-coming-food-crisis-seasonal-migrant-labour-eu

I guess they still don't understand markets?

All the EE in the article are on tax credits 'my children have settled in school'

We dont need to de y FOM. We do need to stop hb and tcs for EE.

If one of these 'cant recruit brit' companies want to employ ee it needs to pay them the full cost. Each of these companies is getting a massive sub from uk taxpayers.

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22 minutes ago, Chewing Grass said:

Simples, make UK citizens working as farm labourers earnings completely tax free when earned at an hourly rate during harvest season.

 

They still wouldn't do it, it is ardous backbreaking work.

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2 minutes ago, WorkingPoor said:

They still wouldn't do it, it is ardous backbreaking work.

Starving may be good for the moral fibre then as those with the least money will starve first, it would solve the pensions crisis as well.

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4 minutes ago, WorkingPoor said:

They still wouldn't do it, it is ardous backbreaking work.

It is extremely hard work indeed, you are working at a high rate for hours at a stretch.

Though there is no inherent reason why this can't be done by British people, we're not "lazy".

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2 minutes ago, Chewing Grass said:

Starving may be good for the moral fibre then as those with the least money will starve first, it would solve the pensions crisis as well.

Trust me, starving is not how id describe the Brits i walked by today.

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18 minutes ago, Frank Hovis said:

It is extremely hard work indeed, you are working at a high rate for hours at a stretch.

Though there is no inherent reason why this can't be done by British people, we're not "lazy".

I am.

And so is my wife...

 

XYY

 

 

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Just now, The XYY Man said:

I am.

And so is my wife...

 

XYY

 

 

Your nob certainly is...

 

Mrs XYY

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1 hour ago, WorkingPoor said:

They still wouldn't do it, it is ardous backbreaking work.

They certainly used to - and it used to be well paid too. My mum used to do a few weeks each year on the potato planting back in the 70s when us nippers were at school. I did strawberry picking when I was a teen as did my sibling. Paid by the punnet. It was better money than gardening but yes, long hours. 

With strawberry picking the trick is to squat down and shuffle along on your feet. It is far less back breaking that way.

This is the kind of work that would be happily done if it was decently paid and everyone was on UBI. As it is, anyone on benefits can't afford to do it as it doesn't pay well enough, isn't regular enough and they'd likely end up in bureaucratic hell getting their benefits adjusted. 

Alternatively, simply make it cash in hand with the blessing of HMRC. 

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2 minutes ago, Sgt Hartman said:

The farming/agricultural question is a remainers favourite. Apparently when we leave the EU the agricultural industry is going to be decimated as the EU withdraws it's subsidies. I've lost count of the amount of times I've heard this in the radio, TV etc.

Forgive me, but if you have a sector that reliant on subsidies from an external body to survive, then, quite simply, it's not an 'industry'. It's a charity case.

It will be decimated, in numbers of farmers. Fuckers are just claiming money for pussing around on tractors.

Uk tax payers pay a fortune, to give to eu to give to farmers who hog the land ehich they pretend to farm.

Its mental. 50%+ of farmers are just benefit dossers.

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2 hours ago, spygirl said:

All the EE in the article are on tax credits 'my children have settled in school'

We dont need to de y FOM. We do need to stop hb and tcs for EE.

If one of these 'cant recruit brit' companies want to employ ee it needs to pay them the full cost. Each of these companies is getting a massive sub from uk taxpayers.

+100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000

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1 hour ago, spygirl said:

It will be decimated, in numbers of farmers. Fuckers are just claiming money for pussing around on tractors.

Uk tax payers pay a fortune, to give to eu to give to farmers who hog the land ehich they pretend to farm.

Its mental. 50%+ of farmers are just benefit dossers.

I bet they reduce subsidies to the poorer farmers, while maintaining it for the large landowners...

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Just now, dgul said:

I bet they reduce subsidies to the poorer farmers, while maintaining it for the large landowners...

There be no subs and limited tarriffs.

The uk is competitive in certain produces. In others, its just a joke.

Uk taxpayers are forced to tiny houses and psy money to farmers who grow stuff that is onky viable with a sub. Its nepfirm if feudalism. Fuckem. They have to compete like the rest of us.

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31 minutes ago, spygirl said:

There be no subs and limited tarriffs.

The uk is competitive in certain produces. In others, its just a joke.

Uk taxpayers are forced to tiny houses and psy money to farmers who grow stuff that is onky viable with a sub. Its nepfirm if feudalism. Fuckem. They have to compete like the rest of us.

The argument is that it is only viable with a sub because the competition (in the EU) have a sub and can thus produce it at below-cost.  Thus we either have to have our own subsidy, have appropriate import tariffs, or allow our industry to be decimated.  

But forget all that, because I see no intention to cut the subsidy offered to the landed gentry.

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3 hours ago, Chewing Grass said:

Simples, make UK citizens working as farm labourers earnings completely tax free when earned at an hourly rate during harvest season.

 

Or instead of importing the labour,  just import the fruit.

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When I was a child sitting in the back of my fathers MK1 & MK2 1.3 L Ford Escorts as we wended our way through  various bits of the country large greenhouses were a regular sight. This was in the days before the EU corrupted agriculture and before it was economic to ship produce by road 2000 miles from Spain etc. As EU membership progressed these small to medium size businesses we bust and their greenhouses fell into dereliction and we ended up importing over 80% of our tomatoes as an example.

I don't use a lot of tomatoes but buy them every week and have noticed that the ones from Spain will always go mouldy after about 4 days and the ones from Morocco will quite often perform the same feat within 2-3 days. If I buy British hot house tomatoes they will last 7-10 days without showing any signs of mould unless one has a damaged skin. So I now only buy English tomatoes and pay the 20p extra simply because they don't spontaneously rot.

Been getting San Marzano ones lately, absolutley flavoursome, not watery and tasteless like Spanish/Moroccan ones and from a grower in County Durham called Kevin Wolfe.

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So I'm not going to be negative like other posters as I am convinced this is a fantastic opportunity to rid the country of nasty produce, ridiculous food miles and heaps of waste.

Here is a link to show what can be done, again with a little thought and some investment. Fuck the E.U.

http://www.edp24.co.uk/business/farming/uk-s-largest-tomato-greenhouse-is-really-making-the-grade-for-local-freshness-1-4015151

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Not only the good points above, but once again we are reminded that if the Progressives did not have double standards, they would have no standards at all.

1:  The EU prevents African and other low wage nations selling farm produce which would massively benefit poor people in the third world.  Once we leave the EU we can get food from non EU nations much cheaper

2:  the Guardian pushes for mass immigration which destroys British farmland over time due to urban sprawl and increases the food need for the UK

I sometimes think that they HAVE to be laughing as the fail to connect the dots.

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9 hours ago, wherebee said:

Not only the good points above, but once again we are reminded that if the Progressives did not have double standards, they would have no standards at all.

1:  The EU prevents African and other low wage nations selling farm produce which would massively benefit poor people in the third world.  Once we leave the EU we can get food from non EU nations much cheaper

2:  the Guardian pushes for mass immigration which destroys British farmland over time due to urban sprawl and increases the food need for the UK

I sometimes think that they HAVE to be laughing as the fail to connect the dots.

The dots are being joined alright. This is deliberate 

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As an example of fucked up thinking, heres an article from this weeks economist:

http://www.economist.com/news/britain/21722210-cutting-net-migration-tens-thousands-would-deprive-britain-valuable-workers

' The current migration flow works in Britain’s favour. The country exports expensive pensioners and imports mostly young, healthy, taxpaying foreigners. The government’s fiscal watchdog reckons that by the mid-2060s, with net migration of around 100,000 public debt would be about 30 percentage points higher as a proportion of GDP than if that number were 200,000. '

The jounro is a fucking moron.

We dont export pensioners. We have the nes with the highest income, typically index linked public sector pensions leaving.

Their pension does not stop when they leave, the UK still pays it. The expense of medical care gets billed back to the UK FFS.

We are importing yuong migrants from EEer sure. Im not sure how healthy they are, drinkwise. And even if they were healthy they bring their parents over, who are not.

And they are not net tax payers FFS. UKGOV coolects a small amount due to taxcredits but pays then 1k+month. Never mind the schooling for their kids.

I never ever see a mention of tax credits when people discuss migration to the UK. Sometimes I think the whole collection of journos + economists are just morons.

 

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4 minutes ago, spygirl said:

As an example of fucked up thinking, heres an article from this weeks economist:

http://www.economist.com/news/britain/21722210-cutting-net-migration-tens-thousands-would-deprive-britain-valuable-workers

' The current migration flow works in Britain’s favour. The country exports expensive pensioners and imports mostly young, healthy, taxpaying foreigners. The government’s fiscal watchdog reckons that by the mid-2060s, with net migration of around 100,000 public debt would be about 30 percentage points higher as a proportion of GDP than if that number were 200,000. '

The jounro is a fucking moron.

We dont export pensioners. We have the nes with the highest income, typically index linked public sector pensions leaving.

Their pension does not stop when they leave, the UK still pays it. The expense of medical care gets billed back to the UK FFS.

We are importing yuong migrants from EEer sure. Im not sure how healthy they are, drinkwise. And even if they were healthy they bring their parents over, who are not.

And they are not net tax payers FFS. UKGOV coolects a small amount due to taxcredits but pays then 1k+month. Never mind the schooling for their kids.

I never ever see a mention of tax credits when people discuss migration to the UK. Sometimes I think the whole collection of journos + economists are just morons.

 

No way am I reading that, my blood pressure will not cope.  From the section you have copied, pure propaganda.  The sad thing is that people tend not to have the analytical skills to see it for what it is, a pile of made up figures plucked out of the air to 'prove' a point.  

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