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The Masked Tulip

Foreign powers revealed to be using social media to subvert UK democracy - BREXIT, Corbyn, Scottish Independence.

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This story was quietly released over the Bank holiday weekend and has got next to no mainstream UK Press coverage - mainly because it goes against the apparent agenda and highlights what naive, gullible fools lots of UK media folk are.

I think this is pretty major.

It is basically Facebook admitting, by closing down some 600 plus pages, groups and accounts, that a foreign power, in this case Iran, has been using social media to influence opininion on several matters key to the unity and security of the UK - namely BREXIT, Scottish Independence and with positive media for one Jeremy Corbyn. Israel, and UK opinion of Israel, is also mentioned but you have to wonder whether this also includes the big rise of anti-semitism on UK social media.

Not a dicky bird from the UK mainstream media about this. If it had been, for example, pro-Trump stuff then you can imagine the hysteria.

But this is OUR country and this suggests that a foreign power, Iran, was interfering in our internal politics.

So why no mainstream coverage?

Why aren't the likes of the So-Called BBC, Sky News, etc, screaming hell about this? Why aren't our politicians? Are any of them even aware that this happened?

Well, our mainstream media seems to focus on breaking up the UK as a good thing. It is also, IMPO, increasingly pro muslim and anti-Israel/Jewish people. No need to say anything about BREXIT. Then there is Corbyn.

Does this Facebook story simply highlight something much bigger going on in the UK with how public opinion is shaped and presented? I suspect it does.

Look at the almost hourly row in the US about possible Russian use of social media to influence the last US election. Then consider how this story about the UK got pushed out on a wet bank holiday weekend, was given virtually no coverage and then was buried.

Facebook Shuts Down Iran-Linked Pages Attacking Brexit and Israel, Backing Corbyn and Scottish Separatists

https://www.breitbart.com/london/2018/08/26/facebook-shuts-down-iran-linked-anti-brexit-pro-corbyn-snp-pages/

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Facebook has closed a number of “inauthentic” pages linked to Iran which attacked Brexit and Israel and supporting Jeremy Corbyn and Scotland separating from the United Kingdom — but the political establishment and broadcast media have remained remarkably quiet.

Facebook shut down 652 pages, groups, and accounts, including ‘The British Left’ and ‘Free Scotland 2014’ — one of the largest pro-separatist pages on social media — which were found to be engaged in “co-ordinated inauthentic behaviour” after a tip-off from the FireEye cybersecurity firm, The Telegraph reports.

They were linked to the Islamist regime in Iran via Iranian state media and its ‘Liberty Front Press’ front group, with Facebook chief executive Mark Zuckerberg confirming the network of accounts were shut down for “misleading people about who they were and what they were doing”.

Pro-EU posts shared by the impostor accounts depicted an English longbowman preparing to shoot an arrow into his own body and a man firing a pistol at his foot as a euphemism for Brexit.

 

This is a huge story. It should have had massive coverage. You have to ask yourselves why not.

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9 minutes ago, snaga said:

and Iran's closest ally? Russia

 

 

Not so sure about that. I would see Qatar as their closest ally and Turkey would be in there somewhere. Russia and Iran have a strange, and often strained, relationship going back centuries due to geography. Uncomfortable bed-fellows I would say but I get your point.

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Just idiocy from Facebook. They are just shutting down pages and sites that don't agree with the mainstream narrative. This site will be next, presumably.

It's just 1984 censorship - or at least the very early stages of it.

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Just now, Errol said:

Just idiocy from Facebook. They are just shutting down pages and sites that don't agree with the mainstream narrative. This site will be next, presumably.

It's just 1984 censorship - or at least the very early stages of it.

 

That is not what has happened here - quite the oppposite.

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It's still just censorship. Say if I want to run my site from Iran and post stuff about Brexit. Why not? There is no such thing as 'inauthentic' behaviour. There is just freedom of speech - which includes the right to say things which are inauthentic.

Or will facebook also ban all US sites from commenting on Uk politics? Obama interfered in the Brexit vote - why has he not been accused of meddling in democracy?

It's all the thin end of the wedge. Next thing you know they will be cracking down on sites like dosbods, because there are people who persistently take non-narrative positions.

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11 minutes ago, Errol said:

It's still just censorship. Say if I want to run my site from Iran and post stuff about Brexit. Why not? There is no such thing as 'inauthentic' behaviour. There is just freedom of speech - which includes the right to say things which are inauthentic.

Or will facebook also ban all US sites from commenting on Uk politics? Obama interfered in the Brexit vote - why has he not been accused of meddling in democracy?

It's all the thin end of the wedge. Next thing you know they will be cracking down on sites like dosbods, because there are people who persistently take non-narrative positions.

 

I am going to disagree with you here.

If these Facebook pages and accounts were openly admitting to be Iranian then it would indeed be censorship in shutting down their views on all of the above. But the closing of these by Facebook is because they gave the impression of originating within the UK being run/posted by British people when they clearly were not.

The Iranian government was clearly using them to promote views or people who, arguably, are not in the best interests of the UK nor of the British people.

Hence the 'inauthentic' statement by Facebook.

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23 minutes ago, The Masked Tulip said:

The Iranian government was clearly using them to promote views or people who, arguably, are not in the best interests of the UK nor of the British people.

Hence the 'inauthentic' statement by Facebook.

They could provide information and warnings about pages to let people make their own minds up e.g. highlight when a page is accessed mostly from a foreign IP or whatever. I see handing control of the flow of information to the likes of Facebook (or pretty much anyone for that matter) much more dangerous than any propaganda campaign that someone might engage in. 

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4 minutes ago, goldbug9999 said:

They could provide information and warnings about pages to let people make their own minds up e.g. highlight when a page is accessed mostly from a foreign IP or whatever. I see handing control of the flow of information to the likes of Facebook (or pretty much anyone for that matter) much more dangerous than any propaganda campaign that someone might engage in. 

 

It is not one or the other. It is both.

But then we have the likes of the So-Called BBC here in the UK to whom is handed the flow of information.

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5 minutes ago, goldbug9999 said:

They could provide information and warnings about pages to let people make their own minds up e.g. highlight when a page is accessed mostly from a foreign IP or whatever. I see handing control of the flow of information to the likes of Facebook (or pretty much anyone for that matter) much more dangerous than any propaganda campaign that someone might engage in. 

They could use the same reason to kill a Brexit page just by labelling the author "far right".... and they will.

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I am sure I read recently that the Daily Mail has been sold to Gulf Arabs. Hasn't their editor also recently changed? Will be interesting to see if there is a different direction in their output.

Also, I wonder how popular the newer online contenders like Breitbart are? They certainly seem to be one of the few media outlets who report a lot of things that conveniently slip under the radar of the mainstream media.

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7 minutes ago, Game_of_Homes said:

I am sure I read recently that the Daily Mail has been sold to Gulf Arabs. Hasn't their editor also recently changed? Will be interesting to see if there is a different direction in their output.

Have you read the Mail in the last couple of weeks?

McCains a hero and Tommy Robinson a violent thug.

It's happened already.

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2 minutes ago, Game_of_Homes said:

I am sure I read recently that the Daily Mail has been sold to Gulf Arabs. Hasn't their editor also recently changed? Will be interesting to see if there is a different direction in their output.

Also, I wonder how popular the newer online contenders like Breitbart are? They certainly seem to be one of the few media outlets who report a lot of things that conveniently slip under the radar of the mainstream media.

Already happened. See Tommy Robinson thread.

Ha!

@JackieO beat me by a few seconds...

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4 minutes ago, JackieO said:

Haave read the Mail in the last couple of weeks?

McCains a hero and Tommy Robinson a violent thug.

It's happened already.

 

3 minutes ago, Bkkandrew said:

Already happened. See Tommy Robinson thread.

Where the hell are we going to go for our news items?  It seemed to be the only paper to be even attempting to swim against the tide. 

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2 minutes ago, One percent said:

 

Where the hell are we going to go for our news items?  It seemed to be the only paper to be even attempting to swim against the tide. 

They have bought everything.

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Given the rolling coverage Arron Banks, Russia, Leave.EU get off the back of any half rumour - if I switch BBC news on right now this would be receiving wall to wall coverage...... right?

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At some point there is going to have to be a discussion about foreign ownership and national interest.

This is what happens when the few have all the assets and government is quite happy to have the country asset-stripped for a few quid - even strategic assets. File under multi-cultural.

Some foreign influence is benign, some downright incidious and dangerous.

It is a shame about the FREE internet, quite clear tptb are out to reign it in and stifle its range of content and opinion.

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Iran seeking influence using social media has been referenced on C4 News and BBC2 Newsnight, usually within stories about something else eg Indian and Pakistan elections, Erdogan in Turkey, and Syria. It isn't a story in itself.

The shutting down of 'inauthentic' social media accounts relevant to UK issues was covered briefly on C4 News and BBC2 Newsnight.

What's quite obvious, isn't just the wave of influence in other countries, but the uniform accepted views on our media.

Who controls opinion ?

Legacy media, we've mentioned in other threads, BBC, ITN, C4 News, SKY, and print journalism, share resources, information, producers, and so on. Examples being Cambridge Analytica, or trivial things such as when Bob Dylan declined an invite to be presented with a Nobel, they used footage of a tribute artist not Bob himself.

One Nation controlled by the media. Who controls them, who sets their narrative, who funds them, and why ? 

To seek to influence us.

The coverage of the Trump visit here was a most revealing news event. BBC Wales, in particular, interviewing a handful of anti-Trump protestors, portraying them as representing the people of Wales. Interviewing top members of MEND speaking with a veiled face about Islamophobia. Presenters blaming Trump.

Who allows that ?

Who decides to do that ?

Why ?

When you complain, sending them screenshots of three people with placards and a woman walking her dog in the centre of Cardiff, asking why this was reported as a large demonstration. Do they apologise ?

When BBC Wales send a film crew to interview ten anti-Trump protestors outside the Welsh Assembly, or ITV Wales sends a reporter to interview a coach trip to London against Trump, why do that ?

Never mind for now social media.

The bigger question is who is controlling TV news ???

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Who controls Facebook?

Who controls YouTube and Google?

Who controls Brietbart?

Who controls (most of) the MSM? 

 

Who do you really think is pushing their bullshit narratives on us, and others round the world??

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Well, it’s not the Jews Carl. Be sure of that. For evidence, please see the post I will make shortly on the Rohingya thread about interference in Myanmar, which has about as many Jews hanging about as Mars.

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1 minute ago, Bkkandrew said:

Well, it’s not the Jews Carl. Be sure of that. For evidence, please see the post I will make shortly about interference in Myanmar, which has about as many Jews hanging about as Mars.

Ok, so 

Who controls Facebook?
Who controls YouTube and Google?
Who controls Brietbart? 
Who controls (most of) the MSM?  

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2 minutes ago, Carl Fimble said:

Ok, so 

Who controls Facebook?
Who controls YouTube and Google?
Who controls Brietbart? 
Who controls (most of) the MSM?  

If you could do me a favour and tell me, as I have quite a big dinner to go to whereupon I will get pissed and my next meaningful post is not likely until the morning.

Genuine question. Because all I see is Saudi, Qatari and UAE money buying up things.

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Just now, Bkkandrew said:

If you could do me a favour and tell me, as I have quite a big dinner to go to whereupon I will get pissed and my next meaningful post is not likely until the morning.

Genuine question. Because all I see is Saudi, Qatari and UAE money buying up things.

I can't say whether this is accurate or not but if it is, it's rather telling.

 

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16 minutes ago, Carl Fimble said:

Ok, so 

Who controls Facebook?
Who controls YouTube and Google?
Who controls Brietbart? 
Who controls (most of) the MSM?  

Dave

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