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sarahbell

You're dying so much younger than european women

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https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/sep/11/british-women-live-shorter-lives-than-most-other-europeans?CMP=share_btn_fb






It sounds really serious but when you look at the figures it's a three year difference between the top - Spain and us at 17th place. I think it's not really worth worrying about. 


Spanish women have the highest life expectancy in Europe at birth, at 86.3 years in 2016. The average for the UK is 83, taking 17th place out of 28 EU nations. Men in the UK do better, in 10th place and with above-average life expectancy of 79.4, but men in Italy, the leading nation, can expect to live to 81.

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6 minutes ago, sarahbell said:

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/sep/11/british-women-live-shorter-lives-than-most-other-europeans?CMP=share_btn_fb






It sounds really serious but when you look at the figures it's a three year difference between the top - Spain and us at 17th place. I think it's not really worth worrying about. 


Spanish women have the highest life expectancy in Europe at birth, at 86.3 years in 2016. The average for the UK is 83, taking 17th place out of 28 EU nations. Men in the UK do better, in 10th place and with above-average life expectancy of 79.4, but men in Italy, the leading nation, can expect to live to 81.

It’s kind of funny that they can identify poverty as accounting for a 19 year differential, yet none of their “measures” are predicated on that fact. They certainly make no effort to explain the factors that translate poverty into shorter life expectancy, and attempt to remediate them. It’s certainly arguable that some of the measures touted as a fix even exascerbate poverty. 

Fucking shameful as always from the Guardian.

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7 minutes ago, One percent said:

My view FWIW is that there is a lower life expectancy in the UK in part because of the tensions between labour and capital.  The working class know (maybe not consciously, but they know) that those who control the means of production are out to shaft them as often and as much as possible.  That puts people in an unenvious position of having little control over what they do, how they do it and how their future shapes up.  It is not good for the health

Lets not forget the weather. It wasn't uncommon for the monied classes to go abroad for health reasons in the last century.

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Let me rephrase that for you:

UK women are eating more and doing less exercise than European women.

Stupid article, looking at the outcome rather than the cause.

Social workers/NHS 'statistics'.

 

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20 minutes ago, One percent said:

This.

They have raised the retirement age on the premise that 'we are all living longer'.  They keep raising it.  Yet, there is evidence coming out all the time that refutes the 'we are all living longer' argument.  

I think they have lied to us yet again.  Tossers

My view FWIW is that there is a lower life expectancy in the UK in part because of the tensions between labour and capital.  The working class know (maybe not consciously, but they know) that those who control the means of production are out to shaft them as often and as much as possible.  That puts people in an unenvious position of having little control over what they do, how they do it and how their future shapes up.  It is not good for the health

Nope. Too socialist worker.

Its down to bad diet - too much takeaway, too little fruit n veg - and lack of exercise.

Control for those and you get similar life/health outcomes.

 

 

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Eat crap, drink like a fish, work long hours in shit jobs for miserable management, live in a shit climate with polluted cities, all while imagining that something went wrong, you're "worth it" and should have been born to a life of entitled leisure, and surprise surprise you won't live as long on average.

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1 minute ago, spygirl said:

Nope. Too socialist worker.

Its down to bad diet - too much takeaway, too little fruit n veg - and lack of exercise.

Control for those and you get similar life/health outcomes.

 

 

xD  Lots of studies show that disempowerment and loss of control leads to all kinds of health problems.  For many, the world of work is not a nice place....

I'm also not convinced by the 'bad diet' meme.  I think that the issue is that the diet has changed.  where once we had natural food, such as butter, lard, largely unprocessed wheat, corn etc, we now get adulterated vegetable oil, processed to make it butter-like.  We have all kinds of fructose syrups in foods that studies have shown to be harmful to mice and other animals in experiments.  We have GM crops, god only knows what the long term outcomes of that is.  

And... the government allow these multi national corporations to mess with our food.  

1 minute ago, swiss_democracy_for_all said:

Eat crap, drink like a fish, work long hours in shit jobs for miserable management, live in a shit climate with polluted cities, all while imagining that something went wrong, you're "worth it" and should have been born to a life of entitled leisure, and surprise surprise you won't live as long on average.

We must have met  xD

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7 minutes ago, spygirl said:

Let me rephrase that for you:

UK women are eating more and doing less exercise than European women.

Stupid article, looking at the outcome rather than the cause.

Social workers/NHS 'statistics'.

 

You missed out the fact that a lot of European countries are poorer and have fuck all bennies so healthy food is cooked from fresh ingredients. British generally eat food substantially prepped and processed by others i.e. large corporations.

It is therefore unsurprisi g that the spoanish live longer as they live in a country awash with fresh veggies.

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7 minutes ago, Chewing Grass said:

You missed out the fact that a lot of European countries are poorer and have fuck all bennies so healthy food is cooked from fresh ingredients. British generally eat food substantially prepped and processed by others i.e. large corporations.

It is therefore unsurprisi g that the spoanish live longer as they live in a country awash with fresh veggies.

Fals under diet.

But benefits do make dysfunctional bad choices:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-44985650

The likes of the above just do not exist in European countries, at least not at the level they do i nthe UK.

Tabs n Parmo = 30 years shorter life.

 

 

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53 minutes ago, One percent said:

xD  Lots of studies show that disempowerment and loss of control leads to all kinds of health problems.  For many, the world of work is not a nice place....

I'm also not convinced by the 'bad diet' meme.  I think that the issue is that the diet has changed.  where once we had natural food, such as butter, lard, largely unprocessed wheat, corn etc, we now get adulterated vegetable oil, processed to make it butter-like.  We have all kinds of fructose syrups in foods that studies have shown to be harmful to mice and other animals in experiments.  We have GM crops, god only knows what the long term outcomes of that is.  

And... the government allow these multi national corporations to mess with our food.  

We must have met  xD

I'm not sure I'd define any of those as "natural", maybe just "traditional". 

Boomers/my parent's generation used to eat nothing but processed grains like white bread when younger (and still do). Give my mum brown /seeded bread and she turns her nose up. I think that's got quite a lot to do with it.

58 minutes ago, Chewing Grass said:

You missed out the fact that a lot of European countries are poorer and have fuck all bennies so healthy food is cooked from fresh ingredients. British generally eat food substantially prepped and processed by others i.e. large corporations.

It is therefore unsurprisi g that the spoanish live longer as they live in a country awash with fresh veggies.

The other thing is that their climate suits growing vegetables and fruit more than ours. I forget that most of the UK can't grow things like cherries or apricots or plums etc.

You also need space to grow vegetables, most of the rabbit hutches built here do not have gardens. Not sure how the outdoor space compares with other new builds on the continent, anyone know?

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54 minutes ago, spunko2010 said:

You also need space to grow vegetables, most of the rabbit hutches built here do not have gardens.

In France which came 2nd they don't necessarily grow them themselves but can easily buy them at the markets where they are much nicer than what we get in the supermarket.

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2 hours ago, One percent said:

I'm also not convinced by the 'bad diet' meme.  I think that the issue is that the diet has changed.  where once we had natural food, such as butter, lard, largely unprocessed wheat, corn etc, we now get adulterated vegetable oil, processed to make it butter-like.  We have all kinds of fructose syrups in foods that studies have shown to be harmful to mice and other animals in experiments.  We have GM crops, god only knows what the long term outcomes of that is.  

And... the government allow these multi national corporations to mess with our food.  

So ahead of its time:

 

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9 minutes ago, maudit said:

In France which came 2nd they don't necessarily grow them themselves but can easily buy them at the markets where they are much nicer than what we get in the supermarket.

Assuming theyre not stabbed by muzzers ....

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6 minutes ago, maudit said:

In France which came 2nd they don't necessarily grow them themselves but can easily buy them at the markets where they are much nicer than what we get in the supermarket.

I'd expect France to fall down the table as the years pass. Their eating habits have changed, standards have fallen a long way and the tradition of French cuisine is being lost to most of the younger generation. 

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5 minutes ago, swiss_democracy_for_all said:

I'd expect France to fall down the table as the years pass. Their eating habits have changed, standards have fallen a long way and the tradition of French cuisine is being lost to most of the younger generation. 

True have noticed cousins eat same as the english now with either lots of junk or going the other extreme vegan. Most French women who are not rop or catholic go back to work full time when baby 3 months old and have no time to cook traditional food.

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2 hours ago, swiss_democracy_for_all said:

I'd expect France to fall down the table as the years pass. Their eating habits have changed, standards have fallen a long way and the tradition of French cuisine is being lost to most of the younger generation. 

French people learning paddle boarding last weekend. They were not having much luck until my son pointed out the warning "Max 80kg". The instructor had to find bigger boards. 

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2 minutes ago, Dave Bloke said:

French people learning paddle boarding last weekend. They were not having much luck until my son pointed out the warning "Max 80kg". The instructor had to find bigger boards. 

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I was 92kg a few weeks back (have lost a bit since) and managed ok on a board smaller than those - but what you do need is some core muscle strength and balance, I'd guess they have little of either, looking at them. I was hurting afterwards, it uses a lot of muscles that you wouldn't expect.

 

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With the amount of fat, unhealthy women (often very young) waddling around I'm not surprised.

I would expect life expectancy to drop further.

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Has there been a study of womens life expectancy comparing countries where fat shaming is commonplace to countries where fat shaming is not tolerated?

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On 11/09/2018 at 13:06, swiss_democracy_for_all said:

I'd expect France to fall down the table as the years pass. Their eating habits have changed, standards have fallen a long way and the tradition of French cuisine is being lost to most of the younger generation. 

Yus mate. I have recently been talking to a French colleague, who reckons les yoof gorge on McDonalds.:o

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