• Welcome to DOSBODS

    Please consider creating a free account to be able to access all the features of the DOSBODS community. It only takes 20 seconds!

Cunning Plan

How to argue with Islam

Recommended Posts

There have been some very good posts made recently but they have become lost in the longer threads.

I think we need a thread purely for facts that can be used when debating on facebook etc.

The first thing I think that needs to be shouted from the rooftops is that ISLAM IS NOT A RACE.

Anyone trying to debate the facts currently gets shot down as being racist. This has to stop or no argument can be made.

My first point.

Trump trying to control flights from certain countries was not unprecedented.

If there was, say, a country that had some people that had, lets call it an 'illness', that meant if we let them in unchecked they could cause severe damage to our country and its people, would it be fair to add extra checks on anyone coming from that country? Would it be unfair on those that were not afflicted with this 'illness' to subject them to additional vetting?

SJW answer - That would be racist

DOSBOD answer - No it wouldn't. That is exactly what we did during the Ebola crisis. No one called that racist.

Now of course some may say that these people are not ill. But don't they argue that the terrorists are mentally ill, and mental illness is the same as physical illness? 
 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I think a good approach might be something along the lines of imagine Mormons were mowing people down with trucks, grooming our young girls, blowing children up at pop concerts, throwing gays of tall buildings, mutilating young girls' genitals, beheading people in the street etc etc all in the name of their religion. Would we say that Mormonism is a religion of peace? Would we be unwilling to name the problem? Would we think it was somehow our fault? Isn't it a little bit racist to have lower expectations of a religion of mostly brown people than a religion of mostly white people?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Some actual quotes from the Koran would also be quite handy. I'm pretty sure that the vast majority of people who state "Nowhere in the Koran does it say x, y or z" have never read a single word of it and are just spouting out of their arses. I suspect that only because I downloaded an English translation of it, got about 5 pages in, and pretty much lost the will to live.

If anyone with greater fortitude than me can point out some actual passages, it might be useful for all sides of the argument.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2 minutes ago, MrPin said:

I can't work out whether Ebola is better than Islam. Religion can be horrible infectious, for those who like others to think for them.

Ebola's better - outbreaks tend to burn themselves out before they spread to far and kill many people.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Just now, This Time said:

Ebola's better - outbreaks tend to burn themselves out before they spread to far and kill many people.

Religion is fine for many people. It gives a structure to life. For some it is a madness.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Be wary. Whilst you're distracted arguing about Islam Paul Daniels is busy hiding Debbie McGee behind the curtain. Only replace Paul Daniels with Governement and Debbie McGee with something much more important you wouldn't agree with.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

For those who attempt to explain/justify/excuse attacks such as the one in Manchester are blowback from our activities in Iraq and Afghanistan :

If it was the other way about and some country was attacking our country, would it be right for us to send bombs to directly target their civilians? Their children? Would it be ok for those of us living in our enemies country to form child rape gangs?

 

I can't see how someone with eyes and ears still needs convincing. So obvious there are huge problems with Islam, and with immigration...

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
27 minutes ago, SNACR said:

Be wary. Whilst you're distracted arguing about Islam Paul Daniels is busy hiding Debbie McGee behind the curtain. Only replace Paul Daniels with Governement and Debbie McGee with something much more  important you wouldn't agree with.

Nicely put. There are some things we cannot criticise. Especially if we are not even aware of THEM.

In a way it's not important to know who THEY are, just to know THEY are above Muslims and governments. To know THEY are trying to destroy US. 

 

I was gonna add that Voltaire quote to end this post : "To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you cannot criticise."

But... after googling it, came up with pages telling me it was a misquote, which led me here :

Link below prob not safe for work (a bit fashy sounding) :

http://nationalvanguard.org/2017/01/voltaire-didnt-say-it/

I was fairly alright with what I was reading, til it got to a child porn allegation. He responds to that claim though.

Interesting anyway.

 

Edited by Carl Fimble
attempting to make it less shit

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2 hours ago, Fully Detached said:

Some actual quotes from the Koran would also be quite handy. I'm pretty sure that the vast majority of people who state "Nowhere in the Koran does it say x, y or z" have never read a single word of it and are just spouting out of their arses. I suspect that only because I downloaded an English translation of it, got about 5 pages in, and pretty much lost the will to live.

If anyone with greater fortitude than me can point out some actual passages, it might be useful for all sides of the argument.

Those people who state 'nowhere in the koran does it say x y z' and that x y z is about violence have absolutely not read a single word and are talking shiyte or are being disingenuous. I read the thing years ago its full of hate and bile, kill or subjugate all non muslims type of stuff

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2 hours ago, Carl Fimble said:

For those who attempt to explain/justify/excuse attacks such as the one in Manchester are blowback from our activities in Iraq and Afghanistan :

If it was the other way about and some country was attacking our country, would it be right for us to send bombs to directly target their civilians? Their children? Would it be ok for those of us living in our enemies country to form child rape gangs?

 

I can't see how someone with eyes and ears still needs convincing. So obvious there are huge problems with Islam, and with immigration...

 

Great response to a blowback defence by an SJW.

We need to craft a series of robust responses to each type of shitty position the SJWs and apologists have on islam, then get those out in public circulation

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I have SJW friends who regurgitate all the usual bollocks.  Arguing logic does not work.  It's all about feelings and self-investment in a cause.

The only thing that changes them - one by one - is a direct hit on their friends and family, such as the murders in Manchester.

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
6 minutes ago, wherebee said:

I have SJW friends who regurgitate all the usual bollocks.  Arguing logic does not work.  It's all about feelings and self-investment in a cause.

The only thing that changes them - one by one - is a direct hit on their friends and family, such as the murders in Manchester.

 

Most likely the case too, but I'm not going to sit there taking it. I'm not  a frequent FB user but when I do use it might as well not make it an annoying experience.

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Knowledge is the enemy of Islam. David Wood argues that Islam actually benefits after every atrocity. After an attack, the media searches for muslims who will distance themselves from the attack. Muslims then get plenty of screen time to question how anyone could possibly do such a thing in the name of their religion, to play the victim card on the potential 'Islamophobia' they may face, and to lie about Islam, knowingly or unknowingly. The mainstream media lap this up without question, which leads them to believe that anyone who suggests Islam itself may be the largest contributory factor in a terrorist attack is obviously misinformed at best, and a racist/'Islamophobe' at worst.

The mainstream media then desperately avail themselves in the search for any minor insult to an innocent muslim minding their own business as further evidence that anyone who questions or criticises Islam must be a racist bigot and just like the person who pulled the veil from the muslim woman or said something impolite to a muslim in the street. General lefty type idiots jump on this as they don't want poor defenseless muslims being blamed for something they didn't do. Due to their own soft bigotry of low expectations and lack of knowledge about the texts and history of Islam, they don't think it possible for a muslim to commit such an atrocity, so the terrorist can't have been a 'real' muslim, bruv.  'Real' muslims then become the victims who should be protected by law if need be, and any criticism of Islam quashed. This further enables the spread of Islam.

Edited to add David Wood's video:

 

Edited by axolotl

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
13 minutes ago, axolotl said:

Knowledge is the enemy of Islam. David Wood argues that Islam actually benefits after every atrocity. After an attack, the media searches for muslims who will distance themselves from the attack. Muslims then get plenty of screen time to question how anyone could possibly do such a thing in the name of their religion, to play the victim card on the potential 'Islamophobia' they may face, and to lie about Islam, knowingly or unknowingly. The mainstream media lap this up without question, which leads them to believe that anyone who suggests Islam itself may be the largest contributory factor in a terrorist attack is obviously misinformed at best, and a racist/'Islamophobe' at worst.

The mainstream media then desperately avail themselves in the search for any minor insult to an innocent muslim minding their own business as further evidence that anyone who questions or criticises Islam must be a racist bigot and just like the person who pulled the veil from the muslim woman or said something impolite to a muslim in the street. General lefty type idiots jump on this as they don't want poor defenseless muslims being blamed for something they didn't do. Due to their own soft bigotry of low expectations and lack of knowledge about the texts and history of Islam, they don't think it possible for a muslim to commit such an atrocity, so the terrorist can't have been a 'real' muslim, bruv.  'Real' muslims then become the victims who should be protected by law if need be, and any criticism of Islam quashed. This further enables the spread of Islam.

Sounds about right this, we see this played out after every atrocity.

Knowledge is the enemy of islam and needs to be spread, the reality of what it is

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
7 minutes ago, MrPin said:

I like to think the best of most people!O.o

As do I, MrPin, but most people aren't the problem. To quote Brigitte Gabriel: 'The peaceful majority are irrelevant'.

Popper described the danger of unlimited tolerance:

'Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them.'

'We should therefore claim, in the name of tolerance, the right not to tolerate the intolerant.'

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Not quite 'how to argue with Islam' but one of my Facebook friends (yeah I know) posted a picture of a Muslim man comforting an elderly woman in Manchester. He is obviously from the Ahmadiyya sect from his headdress.The image had lots of likes but no comments - I have made my first comment about the Manchester incident and it was along the lines of how Ahmadiyya Muslims are very compassionate. No doubt my comment will get lots of likes from certain vocal people on my friends list. The irony is none of them will realise that many Muslims in the UK consider him a Kaffir, just like the poor Ahmadiyya shop-keeper who was killed in Glasgow by the Miripuri maniac.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
12 minutes ago, OurDayWillCome said:

Not quite 'how to argue with Islam' but one of my Facebook friends (yeah I know) posted a picture of a Muslim man comforting an elderly woman in Manchester. He is obviously from the Ahmadiyya sect from his headdress.The image had lots of likes but no comments - I have made my first comment about the Manchester incident and it was along the lines of how Ahmadiyya Muslims are very compassionate. No doubt my comment will get lots of likes from certain vocal people on my friends list. The irony is none of them will realise that many Muslims in the UK consider him a Kaffir, just like the poor Ahmadiyya shop-keeper who was killed in Glasgow by the Miripuri maniac.

It's funny how all the racists on here will know what you are on about but all the liberal fucktards won't.

Edit to add :- Not that we are all racists... 

Edited by XswampyX

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Knowledge is a powerful weapon against Islam. However, like many on this forum, I plan to have something much more tangible for dealing with individual adherents of Islam that enter my family's space. This may make me a bad person in the eyes of the law. I can live with that.....

Adherents of other faiths that invade my family's space can expect identical treatment. My solution  doesn't differentiate based on colour, gender, creed or sexuality.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    No registered users viewing this page.