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Food intolerance believed identified - hurrah

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2 minutes ago, Bod said:

Could this be connected to Addison's disease and cortisol? Something's stirring at the back of my mind.

Having a quick glance at that - I don't think so. None of the symptoms match.

It can however be related to inflammatory bowel disease.

But that would have to have been going on for four years and I would suspect would either have got worse or shown other symptoms by now.

That said, I shall book an appointment with the GP to discuss.

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3 minutes ago, Bod said:

https://www.drlam.com/histamine-levels/

Cortisol switches off histamine, but there is something being called "adrenal fatigue" (this could be mumbo jumbo) where your body can't produce enough. Food intolerance can be one of the consequences.

The diagnosis (too much histamine) is making a lot of sense.

It explains why, when the symptoms are bad, I can't sleep despite feeling shattered. My brain "races". Ordinarily I'd put that down to depression but I know it's not that.

I have had an odd sense of pain in my left shoulder occasionally, although I haven't had that for months. The cause of that was never traced - sitting awkwardly, perhaps, antihistamine (especially Acrivastine which sometimes causes an odd sensation of swelling down the same side of my throat without actual soreness or pain - it's a known side effect).

I fear this is all a little specialised for a GP - I'll email this all over to him before I visit.

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28 minutes ago, Bod said:

https://www.drlam.com/histamine-levels/

Cortisol switches off histamine, but there is something being called "adrenal fatigue" (this could be mumbo jumbo) where your body can't produce enough. Food intolerance can be one of the consequences.

Adrenal fatigue is still not recognised as even existing by a great many doctors.

I am 100% convinced that I suffered adrenal fatigure - whether it was a symptom or a cause - of when I was very ill. I had all the physical symptoms and adjusted my diet to add minerals and vitamins in large doses. It is a long road to recovery though.

I think adrenal fatigue is linked to things such as stress, anxiety, depression and asthma due to the role that the adrenals play in cortisol production & regulation, along with creating pre-cursors for things like serotonin in the brain.

Large doses of D3, magnesium, K2 should be considered IMPO, along with the B's and trying to balance your calcium intake.

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11 minutes ago, The Masked Tulip said:

Adrenal fatigue is still not recognised as even existing by a great many doctors.

I am 100% convinced that I suffered adrenal fatigure - whether it was a symptom or a cause - of when I was very ill. I had all the physical symptoms and adjusted my diet to add minerals and vitamins in large doses. It is a long road to recovery though.

I think adrenal fatigue is linked to things such as stress, anxiety, depression and asthma due to the role that the adrenals play in cortisol production & regulation, along with creating pre-cursors for things like serotonin in the brain.

Large doses of D3, magnesium, K2 should be considered IMPO, along with the B's and trying to balance your calcium intake.

I believe I had adrenal fatigue during the early stages of my divorce. Was anxious all the time, not sleeping properly and suffered a range of weird physical symptoms (reported on TOS at the time) which subsequently disappeared when I settled down.

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7 hours ago, The Masked Tulip said:

I did not know that food stuffs contain histamime. I thought the body created it as an allergic reaction to other compounds.

 

Neither did I. Off to investigate this further.

 

7 hours ago, The Masked Tulip said:

Adrenal fatigue is still not recognised as even existing by a great many doctors.

I am 100% convinced that I suffered adrenal fatigure - whether it was a symptom or a cause - of when I was very ill. I had all the physical symptoms and adjusted my diet to add minerals and vitamins in large doses. It is a long road to recovery though.

I think adrenal fatigue is linked to things such as stress, anxiety, depression and asthma due to the role that the adrenals play in cortisol production & regulation, along with creating pre-cursors for things like serotonin in the brain.

Large doses of D3, magnesium, K2 should be considered IMPO, along with the B's and trying to balance your calcium intake.

Interesting, I have a friend who has suffered from these symptoms for a long time with no treatment that helps, shall mention it to her.

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Hmmm.
https://www.healthline.com/health/low-histamine-diet

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Low-Histamine Diet
Overview

Histamine is a chemical, known as a biogenic amine. It plays a role in several of the body’s major systems, including the immune, digestive, and neurological systems. The body gets all the histamine it needs from its own cells, but histamine is also found in certain foods. People who experience an allergy-like response to histamine-rich foods may have a condition known as histamine intolerance.

People with histamine intolerance may experience a wide variety of symptoms involving different systems and organs. For some people, histamine-rich foods can trigger headaches, skin irritation, or diarrhea.

There are no reliable tests or procedures that doctors can use to diagnose histamine intolerance. However, some medical professionals will suggest an elimination diet. This involves removing certain foods from your diet and slowly adding them back in, one at a time. An elimination diet can help you determine whether histamine is the problem.

If histamine intolerance cannot be proven then the case for a low-histamine diet cannot have a sound scientific basis.

Symptoms might be anything.

This may be just another diet fad which some people find suits them, others don't. I am very sceptical.

I would consider trying it but the dietary changes are so drastic I might as well eat water and oats.

Edited by Happy Renting

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I'd have thought that it would be possible to test for food intolerance, but it isn't.

The way this is done is under medical supervision - you eat the food and then see what happens. No, really.

From what I have read - some foods contain histamine - two major culprits are red wine and tomatoes - and some other foods cause a histamine reaction. Which is normally dealt with by the chemical DAO which is produced by your body.

It is possible to test for DAO deficiency which can be the reason for histamine intolerance, apparently there are markers in the blood which will show that.

 

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Was a post on the Reddit ZC sub from somebody with bad histamine aversion. They had a problem sourcing beef because the longer it is aged, the more histamine it has.

What may be of interest you is that he did a 16 day water only fast and said that his histamine intolerance was way lower once he was eating again. Maybe our bodies can do a reset if we let it start over from zero?

 

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5 minutes ago, jm51 said:

Was a post on the Reddit ZC sub from somebody with bad histamine aversion. They had a problem sourcing beef because the longer it is aged, the more histamine it has.

What may be of interest you is that he did a 16 day water only fast and said that his histamine intolerance was way lower once he was eating again. Maybe our bodies can do a reset if we let it start over from zero?

 

From what I have read - if you eliminate the offending thing(s) from the diet, the body may indeed learn not to trigger the responses that it does. Or rather it "forgets" the habit of triggering an adverse reaction. The normal timescale is around four weeks, then try reintroducing the things that used to trigger the problem.

Only ingesting water for 16 days sounds a bit extreme and quite dangerous though it's not necessary to go that far :)

That said, histamine intolerance is a relatively unusual one - the "normal" intolerances are things like wheat, gluten and dairy.

It can have more sinister causes but I do suspect that were there something dreadfully wrong there would have been other side-effects by now. Nonetheless I'll get it checked out.

I am hoping that after a month or so of kale chips and spelt/gluten-free pasta that it will return to normal.

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4 minutes ago, jm51 said:

Was a post on the Reddit ZC sub from somebody with bad histamine aversion. They had a problem sourcing beef because the longer it is aged, the more histamine it has.

What may be of interest you is that he did a 16 day water only fast and said that his histamine intolerance was way lower once he was eating again. Maybe our bodies can do a reset if we let it start over from zero?

 

I'd want to go somewhere warm to do that! And to not be working.

Would like to try it one day, but would be concerned about losing a lot of muscle.

 

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I meant to come on here and suggest histamine intolerance to you. I've recently figured out I have it after reacting really badly to half a tin of salmon. Have a look into mast cell activation syndrome before you go to the GP.

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Congrats Mark, this is great news. What did you do in terms of an 'elimination' diet i.e. what 'simple' diet did you start on?

9 hours ago, DTMark said:

The diagnosis (too much histamine) is making a lot of sense.

It explains why, when the symptoms are bad, I can't sleep despite feeling shattered. My brain "races". Ordinarily I'd put that down to depression but I know it's not that.

I'm having real problems with this too.

One day a week the last couple of weeks I've had a completely sleepless night, with racing brain, which is followed by a day of brain fog and severe depression. Disassociated groggy feeling. feeling 'weepy' for want of a better word ect...just an absolute mess basically. So that happened on Tuesday (with the night of insomnia being Monday night). I was a mess on Tuesday....and then woke up this morning feeling great. No external events to explain the change in mood - so my brain chemistry is reacting to something I'm just not sure what.

Edited by JoeDavola

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1 minute ago, JoeDavola said:

Congrats Mark, this is great news. What did you do in terms of an 'elimination' diet i.e. what 'simple' diet did you start on?

I'm having real problems with this too.

One day a week the last couple of weeks I've had a completely sleepless night, with racing brain, which is followed by a day of brain fog and depression. Disassociated groggy feeling. feeling 'weepy' for want of a better word ect...just an absolute mess basically. So that happened on Tuesday (with the night of insomnia being Monday night). I was a mess on Tuesday....and then woke up this morning feeling great. No external events to explain the change in mood - so my brain chemistry is reacting to something I'm just not sure what.

https://www.timeanddate.com/moon/phases/uk/belfast

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6 minutes ago, JoeDavola said:

Congrats Mark, this is great news. What did you do in terms of an 'elimination' diet i.e. what 'simple' diet did you start on?

I'm having real problems with this too.

One day a week the last couple of weeks I've had a completely sleepless night, with racing brain, which is followed by a day of brain fog and severe depression. Disassociated groggy feeling. feeling 'weepy' for want of a better word ect...just an absolute mess basically. So that happened on Tuesday (with the night of insomnia being Monday night). I was a mess on Tuesday....and then woke up this morning feeling great. No external events to explain the change in mood - so my brain chemistry is reacting to something I'm just not sure what.

I'm actually sitting here now trying to do a meal plan for the next two weeks. It's fairly limited ;) Not only that, websites and sources disagree about include/exclude foods and drinks. One example being tea. So to be safe I'll exclude those things too.

Then I'm going to take up Occado's more than generous (!) offer of £40 off your first order, and order it all online so as not to be tempted by the stuff in the supermarket.

Then book an appoinment with my GP.

I can get occasional days where I feel like the world is going to end for no readily explainable reason though they're fairly rare and I'm not sure if it's related to this or not. Sometimes I wonder whether random things, like changes in the weather, may have an effect.

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14 minutes ago, DTMark said:

I can get occasional days where I feel like the world is going to end for no readily explainable reason though they're fairly rare and I'm not sure if it's related to this or not. Sometimes I wonder whether random things, like changes in the weather, may have an effect.

I think this is known as the human condition. Just means that you're alive, and not an undead like Joe.

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34 minutes ago, JoeDavola said:

Hey now, I'm mental, but I'm not that mental. (yet) ;)

Well I was being half serious, lunar cycles are alleged to have various effects on people, not just hirsute nocturnal hunting trips. And the full moon in Belfast corresponded exactly with the change in how you were feeling....

 

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