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sarahbell

Migrants and tax credits

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HMRC released a report in May 2016, which said that recently arrived EEA nationals –those who arrived within the previous 4 years – received £0.56 billion in tax credits and Child Benefit in the 2013/14 fiscal year but paid £3.11 billion in income taxes and national insurance contributions.

But this doesn’t represent the total ‘net fiscal contribution’ and isn’t comparable with the studies discussed above.  These immigrants will have paid other taxes like VAT and Council Tax, they will also have received other benefits like Housing Benefit and JSA, and they will have used a range of public services too.

https://fullfact.org/immigration/how-immigrants-affect-public-finances/

 

So.
How about less recently arrived migrants?

The DWP released a report in February 2016 showing that Housing Benefit of £1.28 billion was paid to EEA national-led claims in the same year 2013/14 (regardless of when they arrived in the UK).

inally, HMRC released a much more detailed report published in August 2016 that provided a country by country breakdown of income tax and National Insurance payments and spending on tax credits and Child Benefit for most EEA countries in 2013/14. 

This showed that immigrants from some countries paid much more than the average taxpayer but that immigrants from some other countries paid much less.

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  • The fiscal impact of immigration was more positive in 10 countries than that in the UK. These countries included Switzerland, Belgium, Spain and Portugal.
  • The OECD country with the most positive fiscal impact from migration was Luxembourg (+2% of GDP), while the country with the most negative estimated fiscal impact from migration was Germany (-1% of GDP).

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Again, simple wage barrier needed as uk benefits are do lucratuve and vased around having kids.

30k min. Single person under 30.

Over 30? Must pay 5k per school age kid and nhs @ 8k year.

Over 50? Fuvkoff.

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Schools in high immigrant areas were allotted nearer 7k, and that was back in 2013/14. Probably 8-9k now. 

 

Even the net positive contribution reports paint a picture of pretty menial benefit, once you divide their total contribution by the overall population. We're talking well under £100 per head per year. 

 

Personally i'd prefer less congestion, overcrowding, and what remains of the countryside preserved with that in mind. Not to mention the massive political implications on a slew of issues.

What I find most disgraceful is the business community lobby for the import of all these foreigners, then act shocked when socialism makes a comeback. 

I mean, who could have seen that coming...import a low income underclass...have them housed in places like Grenfell, and then be surprised Corbynite socialism finds a willing constituency. 

Were the entirety of the British business community born yesterday, or did they have to work to become so far removed from reality?

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4 minutes ago, PatronizingGit said:

 

What I find most disgraceful is the business community lobby for the import of all these foreigners, then act shocked when socialism makes a comeback. 

Welfare rights workers who see incredibly poor people coming to sponge off the UK as a good thing.

urgh.

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1 hour ago, sarahbell said:

HMRC released a report in May 2016, which said that recently arrived EEA nationals –those who arrived within the previous 4 years – received £0.56 billion in tax credits and Child Benefit in the 2013/14 fiscal year but paid £3.11 billion in income taxes and national insurance contributions.

But this doesn’t represent the total ‘net fiscal contribution’ and isn’t comparable with the studies discussed above.  These immigrants will have paid other taxes like VAT and Council Tax, they will also have received other benefits like Housing Benefit and JSA, and they will have used a range of public services too.

https://fullfact.org/immigration/how-immigrants-affect-public-finances/

 

So.
How about less recently arrived migrants?

The DWP released a report in February 2016 showing that Housing Benefit of £1.28 billion was paid to EEA national-led claims in the same year 2013/14 (regardless of when they arrived in the UK).

inally, HMRC released a much more detailed report published in August 2016 that provided a country by country breakdown of income tax and National Insurance payments and spending on tax credits and Child Benefit for most EEA countries in 2013/14. 

This showed that immigrants from some countries paid much more than the average taxpayer but that immigrants from some other countries paid much less.

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  • The fiscal impact of immigration was more positive in 10 countries than that in the UK. These countries included Switzerland, Belgium, Spain and Portugal.
  • The OECD country with the most positive fiscal impact from migration was Luxembourg (+2% of GDP), while the country with the most negative estimated fiscal impact from migration was Germany (-1% of GDP).

So what?  Even if there is a net benefit, it isn't the case that's it's 'all or nothing'.  There is absolutely no reason to have someone that isn't a net contributor coming to the UK for work reasons.  They shouldn't be saying 'look, on average, blah blah blah', they should be in a position to  say 'you're absolutely wrong -- of the 250,000 in the time period concerned, 0.5% are contributing <£10k, and that's because they've got a non-financial contribution (artists, etc)'.  This could be easily achieved by having decent wage requirements and a contributions based welfare system.   

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9 minutes ago, dgul said:

So what?  Even if there is a net benefit, it isn't the case that's it's 'all or nothing'.  There is absolutely no reason to have someone that isn't a net contributor coming to the UK for work reasons.  They shouldn't be saying 'look, on average, blah blah blah', they should be in a position to  say 'you're absolutely wrong -- of the 250,000 in the time period concerned, 0.5% are contributing <£10k, and that's because they've got a non-financial contribution (artists, etc)'.  This could be easily achieved by having decent wage requirements and a contributions based welfare system.   

There needs to be a large wedge of tax between any migrant working in uk.

Im ok with single under 30s coming over and warning 30k+.

The issue is when families come over and they are sllowed access to nhs and schools and bendfits. Thats wrong on so many levrls esp. As they are dumping on the lower 30% income earners in the uk.

Uk is unique in europe. Non contribution benefits, creates relatuve hih number of jibs (which are fucking useless if they need topup) and allows europeans to learn a English, which would normally cost then several 1000s. No other european country has a useful kanguage bar spain, which does not have jobs.

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44 minutes ago, spygirl said:

Im ok with single under 30s coming over and warning 30k+.Uk is unique in europe. Non contribution benefits, creates relatuve hih number of jibs (which are fucking useless if they need topup) and allows europeans to learn a English, which would normally cost then several 1000s. No other european country has a useful kanguage bar spain, which does not have jobs.

ireland and malta

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Just now, Dave Bloke said:

ireland and malta

Maltas bent. Economy does not function, no jobs.

Irelands too small, hillbillyish.

For a 24yo living in the <insert 2 donkey town in euro> the chance to move to a lsegd uk town, earn and learn for 2 years, topping up your school English, is a no brainer.

They get work experience, which us hard to get in europe.

They get to put 2 years working in english language on their cv.

 

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36 minutes ago, spygirl said:

Maltas bent. Economy does not function, no jobs.

Irelands too small, hillbillyish.

For a 24yo living in the <insert 2 donkey town in euro> the chance to move to a lsegd uk town, earn and learn for 2 years, topping up your school English, is a no brainer.

They get work experience, which us hard to get in europe.

They get to put 2 years working in english language on their cv.

 

Indeed. If there is one thing i've noticed as a common theme amongst all immigrant groups, be they Italian, French, Czech, Hungarian, in the UK, is that they all say 'if you want a good job in X country, you have to know the right people. In the UK, its based on qualifications alone' 

Meritocracy is fine...but only if everyone does it. If not, then you are kind of discriminating against your own. 

Only going to get worse, IMO, to, with this current obsession over 'we will only let in highly skilled immigrants' While the white British population fall behind in terms of education and jobs, is importing an immigrant overclass really a wise thing to do. Didnt work out so well for the Jews in Europe historically, or, currently, whites in Africa. Its not like we havent had chances. I remember 10, 20 years ago politicians from the same two parties saying we'll train up legions more BRITISH doctors. Never happens of course. 

 

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1 hour ago, PatronizingGit said:

Indeed. If there is one thing i've noticed as a common theme amongst all immigrant groups, be they Italian, French, Czech, Hungarian, in the UK, is that they all say 'if you want a good job in X country, you have to know the right people. In the UK, its based on qualifications alone' 

Meritocracy is fine...but only if everyone does it. If not, then you are kind of discriminating against your own. 

Only going to get worse, IMO, to, with this current obsession over 'we will only let in highly skilled immigrants' While the white British population fall behind in terms of education and jobs, is importing an immigrant overclass really a wise thing to do. Didnt work out so well for the Jews in Europe historically, or, currently, whites in Africa. Its not like we havent had chances. I remember 10, 20 years ago politicians from the same two parties saying we'll train up legions more BRITISH doctors. Never happens of course. 

 

Not if you set min earning enough.

Get the uk tax take flowing and make sure theirs training available.

We need to be getting brits bsck to work, roll back brown thd cunts lunacy.

Now the chinese are no longer chesp - and theit qa is lousy, theres so much that needs doing in the uk now.

 

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5 minutes ago, spygirl said:

Not if you set min earning enough.

Get the uk tax take flowing and make sure theirs training available.

We need to be getting brits bsck to work, roll back brown thd cunts lunacy.

Now the chinese are no longer chesp - and theit qa is lousy, theres so much that needs doing in the uk now.

 

How’s about 

Lived in the UK for less than 20 years your tax free allowance is zero ? 

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5 minutes ago, spygirl said:

Not if you set min earning enough.

Get the uk tax take flowing and make sure theirs training available.

We need to be getting brits bsck to work, roll back brown thd cunts lunacy.

Now the chinese are no longer chesp - and theit qa is lousy, theres so much that needs doing in the uk now.

 

I know this isn’t a popular view but it started with thatcher. The post war consensus was that full employment was the aim. Thatcher was the firs to break from this and marked the start of the driving down of the cost of labour. 30 plus years on, we are where we are with the working class treated on the whole as not much better than slaves, completely controlled by business and corporations 

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18 minutes ago, Malthus said:

How’s about 

Lived in the UK for less than 20 years your tax free allowance is zero ? 

Not bad.

Theres no readon why firiegn natiobals should have tax free allowance.

Brits have to live with the cost. Non brits choose to 

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I wonder if they factor in the widespread lowering of the tax base. The inexhaustible supply of £15K-20K labour effectively broke the labour-capital wage dynamic leading the longest stagnation in middle and lower middle earnings for two hundred years. Without this influx there would be many millions of workers on £25K-35K paying £5-10K in income taxes rather than the £2-3K they pay now. This would have almost covered theim for state services like schools and the NHS. As it is most people are now in deficit to the state with regards to their personal tax receipts.

The standard of life is the sole reason any of us bother to go to work and improve the "economy" and it only improves when GDP Per Capita increases. All we have here is a population ponzi where we throw increasing numbers of low skilled at gross GDP. It is by far the biggest reason for Brexit and glaringly obvious to anyone who has worked in a middling or lower waged job in the last twenty years. Ever get the feeling you've been cheated? 52% of Brits did.

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