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Another Hammond thread: cough up you sap taxpayers, we can’t cut bennies

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2 minutes ago, One percent said:

Unusual t8mes call for special measures and all that. 

Yes immediately after every election and right through until the next election - every time.

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And another swathe of taxpayers say "Why do I bother?".

Maximum pension contribution is now just £40k a year; there will be very little higher rate tax relief anyway.  Why scrap what little remains other than for ideological reasons; and that's anyway not what one expects from a Conservative chancellor?

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1 minute ago, Frank Hovis said:

And another swathe of taxpayers say "Why do I bother?".

Maximum pension contribution is now just £40k a year; there will be very little higher rate tax relief anyway.  Why scrap what little remains other than for ideological reasons; and that's anyway not what one expects from a Conservative chancellor?

The only sensible explanation is that they want to enslave each and every one of us through impoverishment. 

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2 minutes ago, One percent said:

The only sensible explanation is that they want to enslave each and every one of us through impoverishment. 

Every single person dependent upon their government dole out to keep their debts in check and their pay topped up whilst simultaneously being robbed of NI and tax to pay for it.

Then they have you and can control you and change your behaviour at their whim.

Say the wrong thing, vote the wrong way, have the wrong opinion and they can bankrupt you without a second thought.

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1 minute ago, Frank Hovis said:

Every single person dependent upon their government dole out to keep their debts in check and their pay topped up whilst simultaneously being robbed of NI and tax to pay for it.

Then they have you and can control you and change your behaviour at their whim.

Say the wrong thing, vote the wrong way, have the wrong opinion and they can bankrupt you without a second thought.

This is the scary part, plus the loss of individual agency. In the scenario you paint, there is no bettering yourself. Your fortune lies in the hands of others who certainly are not altruistic. 

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1 minute ago, One percent said:

This is the scary part, plus the loss of individual agency. In the scenario you paint, there is no bettering yourself. Your fortune lies in the hands of others who certainly are not altruistic. 

As has been said mass immigration and multiculturalism is about dividing the population so that there can never again be a popular uprising because there is no longer a unified people.

Debt slaves, worker drones and consumers.

Welcome to the matrix.

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1 minute ago, Frank Hovis said:

As has been said mass immigration and multiculturalism is about dividing the population so that there can never again be a popular uprising because there is no longer a unified people.

Debt slaves, worker drones and consumers.

Welcome to the matrix.

Yes. The started by dismantling union power, then they have moved to anywhere where we might collect together (pubs shutting at a massive rate when they have been central to life for centuries), then destroying family units, communities and the rest. 

I find it really weird that my kids don’t socialise as I did. Much of it is through social media. 

They have been, sadly, rather successful in their social experiment. 

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Just now, One percent said:

Yes. The started by dismantling union power, then they have moved to anywhere where we might collect together (pubs shutting at a massive rate when they have been central to life for centuries), then destroying family units, communities and the rest. 

I find it really weird that my kids don’t socialise as I did. Much of it is through social media. 

They have been, sadly, rather successful in their social experiment. 

Tbh I am increasingly thinking that I might go into local politics at some stage on the basis that I could tear it up.

The reality would probably be that I would sink into the nodding dog mode that most councillors adopt after a couple of years.

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3 minutes ago, Frank Hovis said:

Tbh I am increasingly thinking that I might go into local politics at some stage on the basis that I could tear it up.

The reality would probably be that I would sink into the nodding dog mode that most councillors adopt after a couple of years.

There was that story about the male mp found dogging in one of the London parks, can’t remember who.  Anyhow, his piss poor excuse was that after a couple of years in politics, having arrived with good intentions, he realised just how powerless he was. 

Not saying that this would happen to you frank, but take care. xD

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27 minutes ago, Frank Hovis said:

And another swathe of taxpayers say "Why do I bother?".

Maximum pension contribution is now just £40k a year; there will be very little higher rate tax relief anyway.  Why scrap what little remains other than for ideological reasons; and that's anyway not what one expects from a Conservative chancellor?

To be fair, £40k is a fair whack. Most people couldn't dream of putting that much away.

Same with the massive  isa allowance. It is a tax break for the very wealthy 

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2 minutes ago, One percent said:

There was that story about the male mp found dogging in one of the London parks, can’t remember who.  Anyhow, his piss poor excuse was that after a couple of years in politics, having arrived with good intentions, he realised just how powerless he was. 

Not saying that this would happen to you frank, but take care. xD

We're all like that to a degree (not the dogging!); didn't you go into academia with the thought that you could make a real contribution before realising that you couldn't and settling into time serving?

I funded a two year post-grad degree with the aim of becoming a lecturer / researcher but during the course of that realised that the best I could hope for was being a glorified schoolteacher so finished the degree but didn't go any further.

Just now, Cunning Plan said:

To be fair, £40k is a fair whack. Most people couldn't dream of putting that much away.

Same with the massive  isa allowance. It is a tax break for the very wealthy 

Sorry, wasn't thinking :(

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5 minutes ago, Frank Hovis said:

We're all like that to a degree (not the dogging!); didn't you go into academia with the thought that you could make a real contribution before realising that you couldn't and settling into time serving?

I funded a two year post-grad degree with the aim of becoming a lecturer / researcher but during the course of that realised that the best I could hope for was being a glorified schoolteacher so finished the degree but didn't go any further.

Sorry, wasn't thinking :(

No need to apologise. I am just surprised that it is something that is never challenged by the left.

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6 minutes ago, Frank Hovis said:

We're all like that to a degree (not the dogging!); didn't you go into academia with the thought that you could make a real contribution before realising that you couldn't and settling into time serving?

I funded a two year post-grad degree with the aim of becoming a lecturer / researcher but during the course of that realised that the best I could hope for was being a glorified schoolteacher so finished the degree but didn't go any further.

Sorry, wasn't thinking :(

Yes and I did until about ten to twelve years ago. Made a difference to a few people’s lives I think.  Not grandstanding here but education can open up lives. Lately, no.  Can’t fail anyone, can’t reject applicatants if, on paper they meet the entrance criteria, even though we interview.  Why, feck knows coz we take them all. 

Now, I just think, fuck it, when can I leave?  

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1 hour ago, twocents said:

Reneging on election manifesto promises - how shocking.  Voters fall for the promises lies every time.

They could regrade on a promise not to touch bennies if they stay in you simply cant trust any of the fookers 

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25 minutes ago, stokiescum said:

I'd still love to do a history degree in the future and just do it for shits and giggles knowing would never pay it back 63 sounds a good age to look into it

Great idea but do a load of research into what period is going to most interest you.

When I did my archaeology degree it was mainly the half millennium to 500 AD, which I liked, but in retrospect the Neolithic and Bronze Age would have been more interesting.

I genuinely don't know which period of history would be most interesting to study.

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2 hours ago, Frank Hovis said:

Every single person dependent upon their government dole out to keep their debts in check and their pay topped up whilst simultaneously being robbed of NI and tax to pay for it.

Then they have you and can control you and change your behaviour at their whim.

Say the wrong thing, vote the wrong way, have the wrong opinion and they can bankrupt you without a second thought.

THIS.

You nailed it Frank. Make the enslaved think they're free and the 'game' is won I guess :PissedOff:

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11 hours ago, Frank Hovis said:

Every single person dependent upon their government dole out to keep their debts in check and their pay topped up whilst simultaneously being robbed of NI and tax to pay for it.

Then they have you and can control you and change your behaviour at their whim.

Say the wrong thing, vote the wrong way, have the wrong opinion and they can bankrupt you without a second thought.

The majority of the population are slaves, but they just don't know it. You might live in a house, be well fed, have a car and big screen TV (bread and circus) but your freedom is restricted. Bonded to the masters with the chains of debt slavery.

Unless we can make major technical, political and social advances (think Star Trek type civilisation) the reallity is that the majority will always need to be keep poor and in debt as a whip to keep them working. I would say that with the current level of mechanisation and automation we should all be working 4 days a week.

I once had a conversation with someone who genuinely thought that the government should print money and give everyone a million pounds. Even after I explained some of the many flaws in this plan, they still didn't get it.

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31 minutes ago, null; said:

The majority of the population are slaves, but they just don't know it. You might live in a house, be well fed, have a car and big screen TV (bread and circus) but your freedom is restricted. Bonded to the masters with the chains of debt slavery.

Unless we can make major technical, political and social advances (think Star Trek type civilisation) the reallity is that the majority will always need to be keep poor and in debt as a whip to keep them working. I would say that with the current level of mechanisation and automation we should all be working 4 days a week.

I once had a conversation with someone who genuinely thought that the government should print money and give everyone a million pounds. Even after I explained some of the many flaws in this plan, they still didn't get it.

That's certainly a big question: why are we not working four days a week?

In the Victorian era a six day week was standard.  By the 1950s a five day week was the norm.

Since then we have had massive increases in technology. Tilbury cargo docks is manned by two people, watch pretty much any of those "Inside the Factory" programmes and there is a distinct absence of people, in my own area finance department structures used to be like a pyramid with loads of clerks doing the processing which computers now do.

We clearly are massively more productive than we were and those unrequired workers have now gone into spurious jobs like personal trainer, fingernail painter, and even more fast food makers and deliverers to engorge the population.

Take everyone down to a four day week and everyone is happier including those in the spurious jobs who can now work in a proper one.

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1 minute ago, Frank Hovis said:

That's certainly a big question: why are we not working four days a week?

In the Victorian era a six day week was standard.  By the 1950s a five day week was the norm.

Since then we have had massive increases in technology. Tilbury cargo docks is manned by two people, watch pretty much any of those "Inside the Factory" programmes and there is a distinct absence of people, in my own area finance department structures used to be like a pyramid with loads of clerks doing the processing which computers now do.

We clearly are massively more productive than we were and those unrequired workers have now gone into spurious jobs like personal trainer, fingernail painter, and even more fast food makers and deliverers to engorge the population.

Take everyone down to a four day week and everyone is happier including those in the spurious jobs who can now work in a proper one.

Because we live in a renter society where we are forced to compete for an essential resource.

Rent will always rise to capture all available cash. 

If you were working 5 days, and that extra day was for fun money / savings, then yes, you may decide that more time off is valuable to you.

But if you are working to pay your rent, then sadly all those working more hours will be the ones that get the house.

With so many on minimum wage, working more and more hours is the only available option.

It is no great surprise that lha rates are about 70% of full time nmw take home as that is just about the maximum you can bleed a working person for.

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I was just watching the Steve Bannon film about Trump. I got to the point where Trump cuts regulation on small businesses, gives tax cuts to big firms moving into deprived areas, stopping illegal immigration so that American workers are not undercut in wags...

...and I thought of Hammond... a Tory Chancellor... acting like a Labour one.

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