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Relentless harassment of women

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45942447

The government is failing to address street harassment of women and young girls in the UK, a new report has said. 

The Women and Equalities Committee of MPs is calling for urgent action to tackle public sexual harassment after it carried out a nine-month inquiry.

It said the "relentless" nature of the behaviour "normalised" it for girls growing up, "contributing to a wider negative cultural effect on society".

 

now, what’s changed in society that could be driving this?  

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2 minutes ago, One percent said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45942447

The government is failing to address street harassment of women and young girls in the UK, a new report has said. 

The Women and Equalities Committee of MPs is calling for urgent action to tackle public sexual harassment after it carried out a nine-month inquiry.

It said the "relentless" nature of the behaviour "normalised" it for girls growing up, "contributing to a wider negative cultural effect on society".

 

now, what’s changed in society that could be driving this?  

This is bollocks though, isn't it?

Relentless harassment in the street of women and young girls? I'd love to see the evidence.

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Just now, Frank Hovis said:

Relentless harassment in the street of women and girls by immigrants from the third world.

FTFtheBBC

An acquaintance in her early 20s told me she was repeatedly harassed by Pakistani men as a teenager....

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4 minutes ago, Roger_Mellie said:

This is bollocks though, isn't it?

Relentless harassment in the street of women and young girls? I'd love to see the evidence.

Someone was groping my mate on the tube the other week. A woman in her 50s.  Don’t know about other lines, but the central ine, it’s endemic and features in the local paper on a weekly basis. 

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1 minute ago, One percent said:

Someone was groping my mate on the tube the other week. A woman in her 50s.  Don’t know about other lines, but the central ine, it’s endemic and features in the local paper on a weekly basis. 

This isn't evidence of relentless harassment though. Must happen to her every day, right?

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Just now, Roger_Mellie said:

This isn't evidence of relentless harassment though. Must happen to her every day, right?

Agree it’s not but there was evidence in the report. 

Pit was late afternoon and the perpetrator enriches us all. 

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5 minutes ago, The Masked Tulip said:

What is that agend here? To vilify men - just caucasians? Or to slowly restrict the freedoms of women? 

I suspect it is both.

 

 

Normalising the view that 

a) men are not to be trusted around women and so women need to change their behaviour in order to protect themselves. The end result will that they will need to cover up to leave the house and must at all times be chaperoned so as to keep them save 

b) women are lesser than men. 

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23 minutes ago, One percent said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45942447

The government is failing to address street harassment of women and young girls in the UK, a new report has said. 

The Women and Equalities Committee of MPs is calling for urgent action to tackle public sexual harassment after it carried out a nine-month inquiry.

It said the "relentless" nature of the behaviour "normalised" it for girls growing up, "contributing to a wider negative cultural effect on society".

 

now, what’s changed in society that could be driving this?  

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22 minutes ago, One percent said:

Normalising the view that 

a) men are not to be trusted around women and so women need to change their behaviour in order to protect themselves. The end result will that they will need to cover up to leave the house and must at all times be chaperoned so as to keep them save 

b) women are lesser than men. 

Yep - exactly this.

But the blame will be put on Caucasian men. No doubt ads will begin appearing with shots of vulnerable looking women with sinister looming white males hovering close by. No different to the Nazi anti-semite posters and films of the 1930's.

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Lady this morning said she was harassed on a daily basis. This varied from men looking at her to being rubbed up against on the tube.

So by that definition, yes it is endemic.

I am off to hand myself in for looking at the woman in the garage yesterday. Best I ask for a male copper just in case I commit a repeat offence.

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11 minutes ago, Cunning Plan said:

Lady this morning said she was harassed on a daily basis. This varied from men looking at her to being rubbed up against on the tube.

So by that definition, yes it is endemic.

I am off to hand myself in for looking at the woman in the garage yesterday. Best I ask for a male copper just in case I commit a repeat offence.

Yes, the old journalist trick of defining something so widely in order to get a huge number for the headline that it ceases to have meaning.

 

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22 minutes ago, Cunning Plan said:

Lady this morning said she was harassed on a daily basis. This varied from men looking at her to being rubbed up against on the tube.

So by that definition, yes it is endemic.

I am off to hand myself in for looking at the woman in the garage yesterday. Best I ask for a male copper just in case I commit a repeat offence.

That's just impolite if staring, not harassment.

18 minutes ago, Virgil Caine said:

While the world burns non entities write reports of no meaning about something of  no real significance.

 

Number 1 item on the front page as well. What a joke they are. Bunch of overpaid underworked marxist metropolitan women writing for themselves and covering up for paedophiles/Pakistani rape gangs. I guarantee the rates of mental illness in their office is off the charts.

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6 minutes ago, gibbon said:

They do have some decent stuff I see though on the front page:

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Whatever FOMOMG is I like the look of them

Bugger. Just caught myself staring.

If I am not back later, hopefully I can get to share a cell with Tommy.

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1 hour ago, One percent said:

Normalising the view that 

a) men are not to be trusted around women and so women need to change their behaviour in order to protect themselves. The end result will that they will need to cover up to leave the house and must at all times be chaperoned so as to keep them save 

b) women are lesser than men. 

give it 75 years lol,

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It is an odd report.  They identify a problem (likely to be true), but the recommendations are:

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  • Force train and bus operators to take tougher action against sexual harassment and block the viewing of pornography on public transport
  • Ban all non-consensual sharing of intimate images
  • Publish a new "Violence Against Women and Girls" strategy
  • Create a public campaign to change attitudes
  • Take an evidence-based approach to addressing the harms of pornography, along the lines of road safety or anti-smoking campaigns
  • Tougher laws to ensure pub landlords take action on sexual harassment - and make local authorities consult women's groups before licensing strip clubs
  • Make it a legal obligation for universities to have policies outlawing sexual harassment

Is that really their best shot?  

First, get rid of points 3 and 4 in the discussion -- I remember being working on government projects (although not in this area), and the recommendations always include 'we recommend more work in this area'.  It might be right, but it's a given -- they'll never ever say 'we've probably done enough here'.

The remaining points don't seem to be directly related to sexual harassment at a 'street' level:

  •  'viewing porn on public transport' is seriously weird and I doubt the banning of it would make the weirdo normal.  I don't know about women, but I'd feel intimidated by seeing a person doing that
  • ban on non-consensual sharing of intimate images -- This is already illegal.
  • it is already a legal obligation for education institutions to have policies on sexual harassment (although what the hell does a 'policy' do to help). 
  • They clearly don't like porn very much
  • or strip clubs. 

I really think there's something deeper going on here.  I'd suggest that they might like to include in their recommendations:

An understanding of how sexual harassment is changing in the UK, and identification of the drivers for that change -- There appears to be anecdotal evidence for negative change in recent years and I don't believe that they've hit on the causal factors with their 'porn' based approach.

A breakdown on how cultural background influences harassment behaviour (and 'acceptance).  They even hint at this in the report -- 'social attitudes underpinned sexual harassment' -- yet don't make the obvious intellectual leap in the summary.

 

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13 minutes ago, dgul said:

'viewing porn on public transport' is seriously weird and I doubt the banning of it would make the weirdo normal.  I don't know about women, but I'd feel intimidated by seeing a person doing that

I've never seen anyone viewing porn on public transport, and I use trains and buses and tubes quite a lot. Not once, ever. 

Who the fuck is encountering this sufficiently regularly to view it as a generalised problem?

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7 minutes ago, Hail the Tripod said:

I've never seen anyone viewing porn on public transport, and I use trains and buses and tubes quite a lot. Not once, ever. 

Who the fuck is encountering this sufficiently regularly to view it as a generalised problem?

I have seen it and had to double take (not to see the squishy bits better, but because it's so very weird).

My wife has seen it a few times and she travels on public transport less frequently than me (and saner hours), which suggests that it might have been used as a strange passive form of harassment.

[she was intimidated, but more like the way I was -- it identifies 'nutter']

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