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BBC on about hunger, or something.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-46810707

This is the hungry person they choose for their picture:

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I don't think anyone in the UK is hungry.  Sure, they might have a bit of an appetite, but that's just the body craving food, not the body needing food.

[I'd argue that the big problem in the UK is that insufficient numbers of people are hungry -- or, rather, that people have built up a problem with feeling satiated, and just keep on eating -- for those individuals a bit of time without food (-> 'hunger') might do wonders.]

 

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Local Authority County Level of overweight or obese people
(BMI>25)[49][50]
Copeland Cumbria 75.9%
Doncaster South Yorkshire 74.4%
East Lindsey Lincolnshire 73.8%
Ryedale North Yorkshire 73.7%
Sedgemoor Somerset 73.4%
Gosport Hampshire 72.9%
Castle Point Essex 72.8%
Bolsover Derbyshire 72.5%
Durham County Durham 72.5%
Milton Keynes Buckinghamshire

72.5%

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obesity_in_the_United_Kingdom

England’s poorest areas are fast food hotspots

New figures from PHE show higher concentrations of fast food outlets in England’s most deprived communities.https://www.gov.uk/government/news/englands-poorest-areas-are-fast-food-hotspots

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If a decent element of benefits was paid in food stamps only redeemable for food at food banks rather than takeaways then people on benefits (excepting those suffering the dreadful administrative delay in receiving Universal Credit) would never go hungry; similarly if a portion were earmarked for rent (and only spendable on that) they wouldn't lose their home through not paying the rent, and if another portion were again only spendable on utility bills then nobody would go cold.

This wouldn't leave a lot of personal choice in how their benefits money is spent but everybody would be housed, fed, and warm.  Which is surely the aim rather than expecting people to all be able to budget perfectly and so achieve the same aim.

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19 minutes ago, dgul said:

BBC on about hunger, or something.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-46810707

This is the hungry person they choose for their picture:

_105127779_jo.jpg

I don't think anyone in the UK is hungry.  Sure, they might have a bit of an appetite, but that's just the body craving food, not the body needing food.

[I'd argue that the big problem in the UK is that insufficient numbers of people are hungry -- or, rather, that people have built up a problem with feeling satiated, and just keep on eating -- for those individuals a bit of time without food (-> 'hunger') might do wonders.]

 

Like fucking Belsen.

 

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What the lady pictured is actually saying makes sense; however an objective observer would see the line that I have highlighted and identify the imbalance between housing costs and wages as being the cause of the problem rather than focussing upon the effect: lack of money for food.
 

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"It's all very well having a Minister for Hunger but they need someone who is normal," says Jo Millner, who lives in York with her husband and 6-year-old-son.

She volunteers at a food bank and community hub, and her husband works full-time in two jobs, but they still struggle to feed their family.

"[The government] don't have a clue what's happening on the ground. They don't see people crying their eyes out because they can't afford to buy a bag of pasta," she says.

After paying their mortgage, Jo, 43, says there's often no money left for food and the family relies on food banks and support from her mother to survive.

"We pretty much live on pasta and rice," she says.

"We can't afford much fresh fruit and veg apart from what we get at the food bank. What we do get goes to our son because he needs to grow up healthy."

She says most of the people her food bank helps are working - but many are on insecure contracts or only working a few hours a week.

"The government wants people in work but then you are penalised for being in work and lose your benefits," she says.

"I'm working with a woman at the moment who has just gone from a 22-hour contract to a 30-hour contract and she's actually worse off because now she doesn't get school meals paid for."

"We need to get all the different ministers to work together to tackle poverty," she adds. "The whole system is broken."

 

 

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She volunteers at a food bank and community hub, and her husband works full-time in two jobs, but they still struggle to feed their family.

"[The government] don't have a clue what's happening on the ground. They don't see people crying their eyes out because they can't afford to buy a bag of pasta," she says.

After paying their mortgage, Jo, 43, says there's often no money left for food and the family relies on food banks and support from her mother to survive.


So she doesn't work?



 

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After paying their mortgage, Jo, 43, says there's often no money left for food and the family relies on food banks and support from her mother to survive.

Move to fucking Selby then. Or DOncaster Or Norton. Or Layds.

Probleme here is low paying jobs and high costing housing Yawk.

 

Im *pretty* sure this her:

https://www.chillinthecommunity.co.uk/meet-the-team

Jo is an ILM trained life, personal development, education, career and business coach/mentor. She is also a consultant, trainer, business woman, employer, wife and mum who wants ensure a better future for the generations to come and return a sense of community across the country.

Jo has worked in the hospitality and events management sector for over 18 years and as part of her career was a development manager which involved turning poor businesses around, developing community support in local businesses and training people to achieve their life and career potential. Jo has also been involved in creating and running many charity events over the years. Jo has also created and run her own businesses, including Chill Café where she began to work with the Old Greggs team. She was the driving force in the development of Chill in the Community and also the creation of a community network group encouraging all community groups to work collaboratively in York.

Jo’s dream for the future is that communities will become cohesive and supportive places for everyone regardless of age, race, social background or education and that they can develop a supportive network for community groups that enables shared funding and commercial sustainability so that the small amount of money available is spent to create the most impact.

But she wants its in Yawk, not somewhere where theres ugly poor people like, err, her.

Yeah pretty sure:

https://www.yorkpress.co.uk/news/15435665.superheroes-up-for-awards/

NOMINATED: Jo Millner and Mary Passeri in The Chill Cafe in Front Street, Acomb.  Picture David Harrison.

Mary Passeri and Jo Millner are trustees of the Chill in the Community drop-in centre, based in the Chill Café in Front Street, Acomb.

Nominator and centre user Katy Race, said: "These women are amazing and both deserve to win both of these categories.

"They volunteer tirelessly with many projects, including the Pay as you Feel cafe and are up until midnight prepping food. I love eating there on a Tuesday.

Stop fuckin volunteerism and go and get a fucking paying job.

headline should be re-written:

Fat woman living in expensive town and not working complains about not having money for food (after paying for her house mortgage).

 

 

 

 

 

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1 minute ago, sarahbell said:

She volunteers at a food bank and community hub, and her husband works full-time in two jobs, but they still struggle to feed their family.

"[The government] don't have a clue what's happening on the ground. They don't see people crying their eyes out because they can't afford to buy a bag of pasta," she says.

After paying their mortgage, Jo, 43, says there's often no money left for food and the family relies on food banks and support from her mother to survive.


So she doesn't work?



 

Her husband works full time and their son is six.

I don't agree with the expectation that she should have to work; why should we all play the bankers' game?

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4 minutes ago, sarahbell said:

She volunteers at a food bank and community hub, and her husband works full-time in two jobs, but they still struggle to feed their family.

"[The government] don't have a clue what's happening on the ground. They don't see people crying their eyes out because they can't afford to buy a bag of pasta," she says.

After paying their mortgage, Jo, 43, says there's often no money left for food and the family relies on food banks and support from her mother to survive.


So she doesn't work?



 

As I said after, shes lviing in an expensive area with a mortgage.

She could move to Selby where housing is half the price.

 

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1 minute ago, Frank Hovis said:

Her husband works full time and their son is six.

I don't agree with the expectation that she should have to work; why should we all play the bankers' game?

I agree with that but ... she could have leived ina much cheaper town.

.https://york.mumbler.co.uk/life-after-maternity-leave-guest-blog-by-coach-jo-millner/

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1 minute ago, spygirl said:

Good fine and it evidences that they're not exactly workshy:

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They took on the New Inn in Huby and then the Black Horse six months later. Jo also had a bridal shop at the time and she stills runs a hair and beauty salon in Acomb. Si is also a masseuse.

That sounds like a lot to be doing.

 

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She's giving the line the So-Called BBC wants her to give with the unhappy face that the So-Called BBC loves; outside of BBC "it's grim oop north" patronising view of the world they both read like people who are happy to work and generally successful.

 

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6 minutes ago, Frank Hovis said:

Good fine and it evidences that they're not exactly workshy:

That sounds like a lot to be doing.

 

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She's giving the line the So-Called BBC wants her to give with the unhappy face that the So-Called BBC loves; outside of BBC "it's grim oop north" patronising view of the world they both read like people who are happy to work and generally successful.

 

Im not sure what it shows.

We  appear to have a late 30s couple whove just popped a kid out.

What have they been doing up til their late 80s? Dont know, dont care -their life.

Have a kid then start on a series of business ventures - 2 x pub, bridal shop,

Rather tha show they are not work shy , I would think thism ight show the opposite - some lazy person setting up loads of dumb businesses on a get rich.

The pub did not last 18 months. For unknown reasons.

Now shes trying to make political capital by bitching about not having money for food.

She choose to take on a mortgage in an expensive city.

 

 

 

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The thing is, we've been talking about the bad idea of going into the pub trade, as you have to buy inflated drinks from the supplier, and pay extortionate rents. We've been banging on about this for years on TOS. Pubs have been closing at the phenomenal rate, due to changes in how people socialise (online) and where they drink alcohol (at home).

Knowing these fundamental changes, which can be described as a multi decade secular bear market, the chances of success are small. Do not try to sail against strong headwinds, it is easer to go with the flow. Sorry, I don't have some mystical Confusious line to remember that one.

So what have been successes that people might want to go into? Tattoo shops, Vape Shops and Nail Parlours. These have been in a multi decade secular bull market. There is no excuse not to learn a new skill such as painting nails, and the full nail work over, and set up shop. The next time you walk pass a nail parlour, tell me if it is buzzing with trade.

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14 minutes ago, 201p said:

The thing is, we've been talking about the bad idea of going into the pub trade, as you have to buy inflated drinks from the supplier, and pay extortionate rents. We've been banging on about this for years on TOS. Pubs have been closing at the phenomenal rate, due to changes in how people socialise (online) and where they drink alcohol (at home).

Knowing these fundamental changes, which can be described as a multi decade secular bear market, the chances of success are small. Do not try to sail against strong headwinds, it is easer to go with the flow. Sorry, I don't have some mystical Confusious line to remember that one.

So what have been successes that people might want to go into? Tattoo shops, Vape Shops and Nail Parlours. These have been in a multi decade secular bull market. There is no excuse not to learn a new skill such as painting nails, and the full nail work over, and set up shop. The next time you walk pass a nail parlour, tell me if it is buzzing with trade.

Ibe never seen a white brit workign in any of he nail bars. All asian.

Dont know he couple. I would hazard theyve been conned by the PubCo into taking into two Pubs - Yes, we know one does not make much. Take on two leases and youll double the income!

Of course they more than double the cost but they dotn know that til they are bust.

Pub closure is more down to the stupid money PucbCos paid for pubs when they discovered secularisation. Then tried flipping the extra rates and costs onto tenants.

 

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13 minutes ago, One percent said:

In the article Claire talks about her morbid obesity and being housebound as a terrible way to die as if she has an illness. IMO she has a food addiction and her daughter looks to be going the same way.

Personally I think the surgery she had should not be provided by the nhs because morbid obesity is self inflicted.

I do have sympathy for people with addiction as I myself had to quit alcohol in my thirties due to being addicted to it. Addressing and overcoming an addiction is very very difficult but I believe it’s a self responsibility thing for those of a reasonably sound mind. 

A close relative of mine looks to be around 30 stone and the person can barely move but still currently manages to get out from their small house to the car parked on the drive but destinations are restricted due to it having to be less than a few yards to make it from the car. Person started dieting a couple of months ago but has fallen off the wagon. Retired sister grade health professional who should know better and recognise that becoming housebound due to morbid obesity is a very real possibility.

Back to topic. I just don’t believe that there is a problem with hunger for the majority in the uk. Okay some folk with no job or money get sanctioned and then have no money for food, some are the victims of care in the community and don’t have the capacity to look after themselves properly but anyone else who complains about shortage of food just don’t have their priorities right IMO. I realise rents/house prices and living costs are high for the majority but whatever happened to the idea of living within your means?

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56 minutes ago, spygirl said:

Ibe never seen a white brit workign in any of he nail bars. All asian.

Dont know he couple. I would hazard theyve been conned by the PubCo into taking into two Pubs - Yes, we know one does not make much. Take on two leases and youll double the income!

Of course they more than double the cost but they dotn know that til they are bust.

Pub closure is more down to the stupid money PucbCos paid for pubs when they discovered secularisation. Then tried flipping the extra rates and costs onto tenants.

 

There's two locally that aren't run by asians. So it can be done. I'll try and get a picture next time I am passing through (not having my nails done mind)

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2 hours ago, dgul said:

BBC on about hunger, or something.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-46810707

This is the hungry person they choose for their picture:

_105127779_jo.jpg

I don't think anyone in the UK is hungry.  Sure, they might have a bit of an appetite, but that's just the body craving food, not the body needing food.

[I'd argue that the big problem in the UK is that insufficient numbers of people are hungry -- or, rather, that people have built up a problem with feeling satiated, and just keep on eating -- for those individuals a bit of time without food (-> 'hunger') might do wonders.]

 

They should read Solzhenitsyn, buckos. Clean their rooms too. 

http://www.robertfulford.com/2008-08-05-solzhenitsyn.html

^First few paragraphs has the bit I thought when reading the thread title :

Once, the bravest man in the world by Robert Fulford

(The National Post, 5 August 2008)

In 1949 a publication of the Soviet Academy of Sciences carried an item about a bizarre incident that occurred during excavations near the Kolyma River in the gold-mining region of northeastern Siberia. A subterranean stream was discovered, frozen long ago, containing fish and salamanders tens of thousands of years old. They were so well preserved that the men who discovered the stream broke open the ice and ate them.

Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, who died on Sunday at the age of 89, managed somehow to read that piece. By then four bitter years had taught him a great deal about the Soviet prison system. The Academy editors obviously thought the freshness of the ancient fish was the news story, but Solzhenitsyn saw a more significant reality.

Kolyma gold was mined by slave labourers, so badly nourished that they would eat anything that appeared even marginally edible. "We understood instantly," Solzhenitsyn recalled. "We could picture the scene: how those present broke up the ice in frenzied haste; how, elbowing each other to be first, they tore off chunks of the prehistoric flesh and hauled them over to the bonfire to thaw them out and bolt them down."

Solzhenitsyn and his fellow prisoners understood what the outside world (including much of Russia) couldn't comprehend: The Soviet Union had established scores of slave labour camps where prisoners were overworked, underfed and brutally treated.

He told the frozen fish story to introduce his masterpiece, The Gulag Archipelago. Published in 1974 in three thick volumes, it's a unique account of a paranoid dictatorship that set a world record for infamy: No regime in recent centuries has ever been so cruel for so long.

“ 

The article continues after that ^. 

Edited by Carl Fimble
Adding the quote

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1 hour ago, One percent said:

In cases like this there must be a feeder/enabler? If she is bed bound how does she still stay so fat, someone is bringing her lots of food. And presumably she is not working so who is paying for the vast quantities of food she is eating. Should be put on liquid very low calorie diet until she is a normal weight.

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24 minutes ago, 201p said:

Local pub closes without warning - this is not an easy sector to thrive in.

A POPULAR New Forest pub has suddenly closed without warning, days after seeing in 2019 with a New Year's Eve party.

https://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/17348235.old-beams-inn-suddenly-closes/

The comments are telling.

No.

You could do OK to very well in the pub trade until about 2002, when Enterise Inns and Punch Tawverns got toether with some spiv city type and invested secutirisation for pub cos.

They biorrowed huge sums of money, paid double the price for pubs, then fucked up, dumping all the pain and losses on the poor dumb fuckers who took o nthe leases.

 

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