Jaguar Land Rover lays off 4500.Big news in the West MIds

[XswampyX]

1 minute ago, One percent said:

Looks like we are leading the way on one statistic. 

Henry Ford is attributed with stating that he needs to pay his workforce enough so that they can buy his products. I guess that doesn’t hold in out new globalised world 

Big business thinks that "other" big businesses will employ their customers so they don't have to.

-23.55 % wage growth. And they wonder why people voted to leave?  

[spygirl]

23 minutes ago, XswampyX said:

It's down to wages. Now I don't know who is going to buy the cars produced but it won't be the people who build them.

Here :- https://www.reinisfischer.com/average-salary-european-union-2017

Lies dammned lies and Indian business genius.

Slovakia is not that lists. Its somewhere between Czech n Slovenia.

However..you need to compare like with like - central european industrial workers are going to be much higher paid then the average would imply.

There is no spare skilled workers. In fact, the opposite - theres is a gross under supply of them - far too many factories.

https://uk.reuters.com/article/us-volkswagen-slovakia-strike/vws-slovak-workers-strike-over-pay-halt-production-lines-idUKKBN19B10I

In 5-10 years there will be little between uk n c euro car workers.

In fact, when you put uks hirenfire labour laws in the mix, we are probably cheaper.

[Wight Flight]

2 hours ago, One percent said:

Looks like we are leading the way on one statistic. 

Henry Ford is attributed with stating that he needs to pay his workforce enough so that they can buy his products. I guess that doesn’t hold in out new globalised world 

Bear in mind a large part of our drop is due to to spiv currency speculators.

[One percent]

2 minutes ago, Wight Flight said:

Bear in mind a large part of our drop is due to to spiv currency speculators.

Whatever the cause, it isn’t good for sap idiot worker. 

[Bobthebuilder]

2 hours ago, One percent said:

Looks like we are leading the way on one statistic. 

Henry Ford is attributed with stating that he needs to pay his workforce enough so that they can buy his products. I guess that doesn’t hold in out new globalised world 

Piece of crap kit, good riddance, nice to see the back of that company.

[One percent]

2 minutes ago, Bobthebuilder said:

Piece of crap kit, good riddance, nice to see the back of that company.

Ford or Jaguar Land Rover?  

[dgul]

Interesting company, JLR -- they play muchly on their Britishness, but it is an Indian owned company -- and, as has been seen today with the Defender news, said Indian owned company will do plenty of stuff that isn't in the UK's interests.

The other thing is, LR (rather than J) has spent the last 20+ years dropping their traditional customers (you know, people that actually have a need for a powerful 4x4) to chase the luxury market (you know, people that have absolutely no need for a powerful 4x4, but who want one because it is somehow trendy).  I've absolutely no doubt that that policy will come to haunt them in the years to come.

[Case in point, the Defender.  This was an ugly, inefficient uncomfortable thing that had the fringe benefits of being able to go anywhere, be fixed with bits of string and to have the interior cleaned with a pressure washer.  The new Defender will be pretty, efficient and comfortable for the Chelsea crowd, but I'm sure won't have the other fringe benefits]

[To be sort-of fair to JLR -- they gave up the farmer/military/police/whatever market years ago when Toyota and Nissan showed them how to do it properly]

[Chewing Grass]

All that above proves the biggest flaw in the European Union in that its members are not equal.

There is no uniform minimum wage, there is no uniform health system, there is no uniform social system, there is no uniform business or economic policy, there is no level playing field for wages, housing or anything else.

If there was, every fucker would be club-med rather than freezing their bollocks off in the damp north for half the year.

Vorsprund durch technic you fuckers.

[Chewing Grass]

9 minutes ago, dgul said:

[To be sort-of fair to JLR -- they gave up the farmer/military/police/whatever market years ago when Toyota and Nissan showed them how to do it properly] 

This guy will fuck them all over, know where he came from, know his engineering roots and how much he hates the competition.

Toyota/Nissan/Mercedes will be toast in this niche.

https://projektgrenadier.com/

[dgul]

24 minutes ago, Chewing Grass said:

This guy will fuck them all over, know where he came from, know his engineering roots and how much he hates the competition.

Toyota/Nissan/Mercedes will be toast in this niche.

https://projektgrenadier.com/

They'll have no problem selling them in relative quantity, but I doubt Toyota, Nissan or Mercedes will see even the teensiest blip in their sales figures.

[Bobthebuilder]

1 hour ago, One percent said:

Ford or Jaguar Land Rover?  

Well yes, all of them i guess, shite, utter shite.

[One percent]

Just now, Bobthebuilder said:

Well yes, all of them i guess, shite, utter shite.

👍 I had a mk 1 escort. That was brill. No carpets, no radio but I loved that car. My very first car. 

[Bobthebuilder]

2 minutes ago, One percent said:

👍 I had a mk 1 escort. That was brill. No carpets, no radio but I loved that car. My very first car. 

I had a mk1 golf gti, i wish i still had it.

[One percent]

1 minute ago, Bobthebuilder said:

I had a mk1 golf gti, i wish i still had it.

Ah, similar age/heritage. They don’t  make them like that anymore. (Probably a good thing as the brakes on mine were shite)  

[Bobthebuilder]

2 minutes ago, One percent said:

Ah, similar age/heritage. They don’t  make them like that anymore. (Probably a good thing as the brakes on mine were shite)  

Indeed, modern cars are all very nice and that, but no driving or owning experience.My mk1 was shockingly fast for a hatch back. Can i have it back please?

[One percent]

1 minute ago, Bobthebuilder said:

Indeed, modern cars are all very nice and that, but no driving or owning experience.My mk1 was shockingly fast for a hatch back. Can i have it back please?

Mine was an 1100. Hardly fast. I still would have it back though. 

[Bobthebuilder]

Just now, One percent said:

Mine was an 1100. Hardly fast. I still would have it back though. 

Mine was a Lhasa green Pirelli 1,8 with Porsche injection, i could out run a merc sl500 in it, wonderful car.

[One percent]

3 minutes ago, Bobthebuilder said:

Mine was a Lhasa green Pirelli 1,8 with Porsche injection, i could out run a merc sl500 in it, wonderful car.

You halve lost me there   waaaay too technical 

[XswampyX]

1 hour ago, Chewing Grass said:

This guy will fuck them all over, know where he came from, know his engineering roots and how much he hates the competition.

Toyota/Nissan/Mercedes will be toast in this niche.

https://projektgrenadier.com/

Didn't the EU kill the defender?

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Jaguar Land Rover (JLR) has said it will stop production of its Defender model in 2015 because it will not meet new European laws on fuel emissions.

The last of the 4x4 models will roll off the production line at its plant in Solihull in the West Midlands in December 2015, it confirmed.

The model had evolved over 67 years of production but it could not be adapted to meet new emissions rules, JLR said.

It said no jobs would be lost and it was working on a replacement model.

The first model in the style of the Defender was introduced in 1948 and was modelled on a World War II Jeep.

It was not given the Defender name until the early 1990s, shortly after the launch of the Land Rover Discovery.

More than two million have been sold since the car first appeared, JLR said.

The firm said the decision to cease production was "mainly legislation based."

Fukin' bastard EU cock suckers! Here :- https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-birmingham-24446070

[One percent]

1 minute ago, XswampyX said:

Didn't the EU kill the defender?

Fukin' bastard EU cock suckers! Here :- https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-birmingham-24446070

But we are leaving so who cares what the EU thinks?  

Oh, wait... 

[Chewing Grass]

51 minutes ago, One percent said:

But we are leaving so who cares what the EU thinks?  

Oh, wait... 

Don't think so, why couldn't Landrover do what independants are doing to their old defenders, they are electrifying them.

• Available for the Defender model 90, 110 and 130
• Reduction gearing for high constant torque output
• Ability to use standard high/low gearing and differential lock for demanding off-road use
• Optimal and balanced battery placement for low center of gravity
• Regenerative braking for optimal energy use
• Impact proof and waterproof engineered battery housing
• Center mounted EV performance control unit with touch screen display 

Technical specifications:

• Maximum power: 214 bhp / 380Nm torque
• Continuous power: 160 bhp / 300Nm torque
• Batteries: +75 kWh of highly efficient liquid cooled battery cells
• Range: +300km
• Wading depth: 800mm
• Kerb weight: Just 300kg heavier than a standard 90 / 110
• Operating temperature: -20 °C to +50 °C
• Fast charge: Ready

https://www.plower.nl/electric-defender

[XswampyX]

24 minutes ago, Chewing Grass said:

Don't think so, why couldn't Landrover do what independants are doing to their old defenders, they are electrifying them.

I heard it was because of the crumple zones on the vehicle. They have managed to shove the engine into to cab so far that the driver has to remove his legs to be able to drive it.

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So what happens if a very fast car hits a squishy pedestrian at 200km/h?

The pedestrian ends up very dead while the occupants of the car will be fine because (a) they have air bags and (b) they have a crumple zone.

 

Now the regulators in the US and Europe tell us that because the classic Land Rover (the Defender in its current guise) does not have air bags and a crumple zone (Landy owners have long held the belief that the car in front of them is their crumple zone) they are somehow unsafe. Come on, people, you can only be that unsafe if you can actually go fast.

And as for emission controls - the European emission rules are calculated on emissions per kilometre per kilogram. The classic Land Rover, as we all know, has the aerodynamics of a brick, so no matter what kind of environmentally friendly engine you stick in it, it has no chance of meeting their standards.

Codswallop again.

For 67 years, many of the Land Rover components have stayed exactly the same. You can still use the door hinge and pillar connection from a Series 1 on your brand new Defender. The headlights, tail lights, brake lights and indicator lenses stayed pretty much the same for 60 years (to replace the rear lens assembly on a Jaguar XF costs R4 482, on a Lexus IS R3 252 - the two rear lenses for my Land Rover cost R70 each brand new, about R10 second hand.)

Here :- https://www.iol.co.za/motoring/cars/land-rover/nanny-state-kills-off-iconic-defender-1590456

Yes it may be old hat, obsolete, a threat to the climate, but make no mistake it's the EU that's killing it off.

 

[MrXxx]

Mmm, this got me thinking...I wonder how much energy (and pollution damage to the environment) is being saved by those Lanny driver (and the serviceability/repairability) who keep their old vehicles on the road instead of scrapping and replacing?...If the powers that be were really concerned about the environmental damage they would invest more heavily in public transportation than roads, and the taxation by stealth I.e pollution zoning...perhaps vehicle emission control has more to do with product turn over/sales?

[Chewing Grass]

10 hours ago, MrXxx said:

Mmm, this got me thinking...I wonder how much energy (and pollution damage to the environment) is being saved by those Lanny driver (and the serviceability/repairability) who keep their old vehicles on the road instead of scrapping and replacing?...If the powers that be were really concerned about the environmental damage they would invest more heavily in public transportation than roads, and the taxation by stealth I.e pollution zoning...perhaps vehicle emission control has more to do with product turn over/sales?

Have a look at this my lovelies, 1982 Range Rover electric conversion, weighs less than a Tesla, 4WD, and 175 mile range.

Very watchable from the start, driven from 7 mins in.

 

[spygirl]

Le Rover

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7011857/Struggling-Jaguar-Land-Rover-sold-imminently-French-car-group.html

Not sure about the surprise.

Was flagged in last week's Economist in an article about PSA boss.

File under - Another Indian business success.