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One percent

The degradation of work and wages

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Just now, MrPin said:

I did anyway! Back end of my career? You are sounding like XYY, and his liking of male bottoms. No I was never lucky with work. Still ~I will never be rich, but hey, I am reasonably happy.

Don’t forget, you worked with fatbergs. Not many can make that claim. 

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1 minute ago, Roger_Mellie said:

Never lucky? How do you know?:ph34r:

I am much luckier than some. And sometimes marvellous things happen. I just don't bet on it. No doubt I will inform the DOSBODS, when my next ship sets sail.

3 minutes ago, One percent said:

Don’t forget, you worked with fatbergs. Not many can make that claim. 

Poo, power, oil, and naval missiles. I think I could make a big mess with all that.

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10 minutes ago, MrPin said:

Poo, power, oil, and naval missiles. I think I could make a big mess with all that.

Poo, oil, wind and nuclear power,

My potential mess is bigger than yours

Put poo and wind power together and the shit really hits the fan.

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1 minute ago, Option5 said:

Pop, power, oil, wind and nuclear power,

My potential mess is bigger than yours

Put poo and wind power together and the shit really hits the fan.

You are the brother I never had. Yes I've tinkled in the nuclear industry too.

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I am in electronics when I graduated salaries for seasoned engineers were 40 to 50k. Guess what they still are now 40 to 50k.

Freelance is the only way to work these days 

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1 minute ago, One percent said:

Could you not have found the loo?  o.O

One of my mates went to Chernobyl. He had to drink 50 litres of lager and then piss on it to put it out. I just do a desk job,

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29 minutes ago, TheBlueCat said:

That's pretty common in the tech world where the demand for different skills comes and goes. Also, I'd guess, that most jobs not requiring rare specialist skills wages have been pushed down by the existence of tax credits and a large supply of young, eager EEs. That second tap will be turned off by demographics by the way, even though we won't be leaving the EU.

Demographics is the key.

Employers have been in a buyers market for decades now in the UK, particularly since the post war baby boom generation hit the workforce from the late 1970s.  That chunk of the labour market is going to be disappearing over the next 15 years. I think that explains one of the reasons that employers want open borders. The problem is that cheap foreign skilled labour may also be about to dry up for a variety of reasons not least competition from other countries for it

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Just now, MrPin said:

One of my mates went to Chernobyl. He had to drink 50 litres of lager and then piss on it to put it out. I just do a desk job,

I know him, Two Heads Andy.

XYY was going to do the job but they could only get 50 litres and it was Lager.

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24 minutes ago, One percent said:

I would argue that the job was reasonably high skilled, especially if you wish to bring on the next generation of highly skilled people. It was as a vocational lecturer. 

But of course you would.

That you just repeat the same same shite to next year's class that you told last year's class is irrelevant.

In reality, you are a pretty useless spaz in the scheme of things when all is said and done...

 

XYY

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Just now, JoeDavola said:

The trick is to find a way to earn what you need to whilst still enjoying the job - there are points of diminishing returns where massive amounts of extra stress are taken on for 5 or 10k a year more, which hen gets taxed at 40%. 

Best to not be a mug and fall into that trap.

Freelance avoids that trap quite nicely.

At the moment I only take contracts outside the UK as that way I do not have to charge vat either. Starve the beast it is the only way 

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1 minute ago, JoeDavola said:

The trick is to find a way to earn what you need to whilst still enjoying the job - there are points of diminishing returns where massive amounts of extra stress are taken on for 5 or 10k a year more, which hen gets taxed at 40%. 

Best to not be a mug and fall into that trap.

Enjoy your job, but don't let it be your whole life. :Old:

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Just now, The XYY Man said:

But of course you would.

That you just repeat the same same shite to next year's class that you told last year's class is irrelevant.

In reality, you are a pretty useless spaz in the scheme of things when all is said and done...

 

XYY

Bugger off. 

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Just now, Chewing Grass said:

Its like that in engineering with the youngsters i.e. under 35 with useless managers added to the mix with no experience of what they are managing as discussed in the parallel Line Managers thread.

The only thing holding most 'engineering' companies together these days are the 45-65(+) year olds who have and have refused to become managers for an extra 5K per year and all the shit that goes with it.

When they are gone, a lot of these companies will collapse especially as 'imported' engineers who are engineering in a foreign language are slow and have a habit of misunderstanding and fucking things up.

I think that is being replicated across a lot of occupations. It’s all going to hell in a handcart afaict. 

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1 minute ago, Chewing Grass said:

Its like that in engineering with the youngsters i.e. under 35 with useless managers added to the mix with no experience of what they are managing as discussed in the parallel Line Managers thread.

The only thing holding most 'engineering' companies together these days are the 45-65(+) year olds who have and have refused to become managers for an extra 5K per year and all the shit that goes with it.

When they are gone, a lot of these companies will collapse especially as 'imported' engineers who are engineering in a foreign language are slow and have a habit of misunderstanding and fucking things up.

Most young engineers also want to pass throguh the design stages quickly a d get to management. They think they will get more money that way 

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1 minute ago, Chewing Grass said:

Its like that in engineering with the youngsters i.e. under 35 with useless managers added to the mix with no experience of what they are managing as discussed in the parallel Line Managers thread.

The only thing holding most 'engineering' companies together these days are the 45-65(+) year olds who have and have refused to become managers for an extra 5K per year and all the shit that goes with it.

When they are gone, a lot of these companies will collapse especially as 'imported' engineers who are engineering in a foreign language are slow and have a habit of misunderstanding and fucking things up.

Pipe the Captain on board. You may sail in my fleet Sheepy.

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