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One percent

The degradation of work and wages

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1 minute ago, One percent said:

Saw a job advert today.  13 quid an hour. I was getting paid 15 quid 30 years ago for the exact same job. 

Not sure why I’ve posted this but I was well and truly stunned.  

You are right. I am sometimes suggested staff positions for which I was paid more for 25 years ago. I say fuck off.

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2 minutes ago, One percent said:

Saw a job advert today.  13 quid an hour. I was getting paid 15 quid 30 years ago for the exact same job. 

Not sure why I’ve posted this but I was well and truly stunned.  

Well that's not kosher

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3 minutes ago, MrPin said:

You are right. I am sometimes suggested staff positions for which I was paid more for 25 years ago. I say fuck off.

Is the correct response....

1 minute ago, Hopeful said:

Well that's not kosher

It wasn’t a Jewish company. o.O

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Its not just the nominal wage which is the issue, the expectation within a role has dramatically increased to. I get sleepless nights about the prospect of having to go back on the job market given there are plenty of jobs I wouldn't touch for £50-60k that are paying £25,000 or thereabouts. I think that type of culture shock would be the end of me. So many examples of ludicrous expectations for poverty wages. I've done my last office job working for someone else anyway, they are the new workhouses.

 

 

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12 minutes ago, One percent said:

Saw a job advert today.  13 quid an hour. I was getting paid 15 quid 30 years ago for the exact same job. 

Not sure why I’ve posted this but I was well and truly stunned.  

yeh, but the employer doesn't get an hours work these days what with t'internet and all

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14 minutes ago, One percent said:

Saw a job advert today.  13 quid an hour. I was getting paid 15 quid 30 years ago for the exact same job. 

Not sure why I’ve posted this but I was well and truly stunned.  

That's pretty common in the tech world where the demand for different skills comes and goes. Also, I'd guess, that most jobs not requiring rare specialist skills wages have been pushed down by the existence of tax credits and a large supply of young, eager EEs. That second tap will be turned off by demographics by the way, even though we won't be leaving the EU.

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1 minute ago, TheBlueCat said:

Don't let Carl hear that.

Carl Fimblestein? My new theatrical director? We got a play on already. Where's the actors/musicians/fluffers?

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1 minute ago, Frank Hovis said:

I have noted that jobs that were advertised at £40 - £45k in the mid 90s are still advertised at £40 - £45k.

House prices and tehrefore housing costs have in that time leapt ahead.

My favourite graph.

UK-House-prices_July-17_960_4web.jpg

Correct. Now why is that? I do a technical job, for which I expect reaonable recompense.

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8 minutes ago, TheBlueCat said:

That's pretty common in the tech world where the demand for different skills comes and goes. Also, I'd guess, that most jobs not requiring rare specialist skills wages have been pushed down by the existence of tax credits and a large supply of young, eager EEs. That second tap will be turned off by demographics by the way, even though we won't be leaving the EU.

I would argue that the job was reasonably high skilled, especially if you wish to bring on the next generation of highly skilled people. It was as a vocational lecturer. 

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Just now, TheBlueCat said:

Mix of globalisation, immigration and, at the low end of the payscale, tax credits.

Yes, I think so. We are living in a different world, but I have other skills.

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1 minute ago, MrPin said:

Yes, I think so. We are living in a different world, but I have other skills.

From what you post though I would guess you're at the back end of you're career. You've had the benefit of the boomer/late boomer windfall. Not to say that you didn't make some good decisions and make some good calls with regards to your skills, but most people, especially the younger end just don't have the option of telling a potential employer to fuck off.

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2 minutes ago, One percent said:

I would argue that the job was reasonably high skilled, especially if you wish to bring on the next generation of highly skilled people. It was as a vocational lecturer. 

The collapse in pay for non-permanent lecturers is an interesting one (and something of a global phenomenon). I haven't heard any convincing argument as to why the supply and demand have got so out of whack. I know some very seriously smart people working as academic researchers with no job security, pension, benefits etc. who could easily move into much better positions outside of education and yet don't.

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Just now, TheBlueCat said:

The collapse in pay for non-permanent lecturers is an interesting one (and something of a global phenomenon). I haven't heard any convincing argument as to why the supply and demand have got so out of whack. I know some very seriously smart people working as academic researchers with no job security, pension, benefits etc. who could easily move into much better positions outside of education and yet don't.

Yes it’s complicated. In FE, the wages don’t even equate to working on the tools (construction, catering, motor vehicle, engineering, etc). So, they end up employing people who have just done the course and who have no occupational experience whatsoever. 

As you can imagine, the quality is dire. The establishment don’t appear to care 

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1 minute ago, One percent said:

Ah forgot. You are an immigrant, just in a different country. xDo.O

I am! I have, however, never claimed benefits and have paid way more tax than I've ever consumed in services.

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2 minutes ago, Roger_Mellie said:

From what you post though I would guess you're at the back end of you're career. You've had the benefit of the boomer/late boomer windfall. Not to say that you didn't make some good decisions and make some good calls with regards to your skills, but most people, especially the younger end just don't have the option of telling a potential employer to fuck off.

I did anyway! Back end of my career? You are sounding like XYY, and his liking of male bottoms. No I was never lucky with work. Still ~I will never be rich, but hey, I am reasonably happy.

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Just now, MrPin said:

I did anyway! Back end of my career? You are sounding like XYY, and his liking of male bottoms. No I was never lucky with work. Still ~I will never be rich, but hey, I am reasonably happy.

Never lucky? How do you know?:ph34r:

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