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Frank Hovis

SJWs - only in it for the thrill?

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I have suspected this for many years but there has been a lack of evidence.

The start IME was the black civil rights movement in 1960s' US that somehow jumped the pond.  I remember an elderly teacher at my junior school proudly showing the class her blurred picture of Martin Luther King who had paused to say hello to her at a rally not long before he was shot.

I doubt that prior to the civil rights movement an elderly teacher in the rural south west had given a thought to the conditions of black people in the US; but glam it up with rock songs and protest marches and suddenly a rights movement is a holiday destination for English junior school teachers.

What matters to them is the struggle rather than the cause.  It made not one iota of difference to her how society was organised in Alabama but it gave her a cause to which to attach herself so she was happy.

 

I see similar for transgenderism these days.  In real life the tiny number of people I know with this ?condition want nothing more than to be treated the same as everybody else - politely. they are not banging the table saying that they are as much a man / woman as a born one, demanding to use particular toilets or join single sex groups.

Yet for your hardcore SJW activist this misses the point.  It is the battle that they want.  The protest, the shouting, the graffiti, the banners, the court cases, the news coverage of "the struggle". 

Their worst nightmare would be if everybody responded tomorrow with "absolutely, you're a man / woman if you say you're a man / woman; what laws do you want changed to reflect that?".

 

This story laid it bare for me; and also partly the Jussie Smollet saga.  They want to be the centre of attention, they want to be the victime, they want to be the star.

And that is all that at root really matters to them.  The cause is merely their means to their end of being a SJW superhero.  Even if it means that their pets die in agony to help them achieve that end; allegedly.
 

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Transgender activist Nikki Joly of Jackson, IL, whose five pets were killed in a 2017 house fire, has been accused of intentionally setting the blaze, according to The Detroit News. 

Two German Shepherds and three cats died in the two-story blaze that was initially investigated as a hate crime by the FBI and local law enforcement. 

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The police report suggests a motive, however; two people who worked with Joly at St. Johns United Church of Christ, where the Jackson Price Center is located, said the trans activist was "frustrated the controversy over gay rights had died down," and that the Jackson Pride Parade and Festival - held five days before the fire, "hadn't received more attention or protests.

 

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-02-25/transgender-activist-accused-burning-down-own-home-hate-crime-killed-five-pets

Credit to @Stunley Andwin for finding the story.

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Correct Frank, there is an almost pathological unfulfilled need in these people to be seen as 'someone'.

Their SJW cause allows relatively nonentities an unwarranted level of exposure and notoriety.

They absolutely do not want to see their particular 'cause' resolved, at best they want infantesimally small improvements to show they are making a difference.

It is me'ism run riot.

It is always the same social failures that are attracted to SJWism which is why, when they find a group of like minded failures, their vitriol for society amplifies.

They are looking for a stick to beat a society that rejected them.

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4 minutes ago, GBDamo said:

Correct Frank, there is an almost pathological unfulfilled need in these people to be seen as 'someone'.

Their SJW cause allows relatively nonentities an unwarranted level of exposure and notoriety.

They absolutely do not want to see their particular 'cause' resolved, at best they want infantesimally small improvements to show they are making a difference.

It is me'ism run riot.

It is always the same social failures that are attracted to SJWism which is why, when they find a group of like minded failures, their vitriol for society amplifies.

They are looking for a stick to beat a society that rejected them.

 

I think it is being ignored rather than rejected that drives them.

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I think that's an interesting point about the US civil rights movement.

It had absolutely nothing to do with people in the UK, which has never had a colour bar. Yes there was racism but it was not an official government policy, which is what the movement was protesting about in the US. Prior to that, the prototype SJW causes were things like socialism and the suffragettes, but you can argue that was necessary to improve the general lot of people in Britain.

By the 1960s there was not much more that was needed to be done, which ironically was around the same time that SJW causes really took off.  It was probably  because large swathes of the young population just had nothing to strive for any more or work towards (Jimmy Porter in the 1956 play 'Look Back In Anger' rants about there being no good, brave causes left, for example) so they adopted/created SJW causes to give their lives meaning.

In some ways I also think it is connected to the decline in organised religion, which was a 'cause' that many people instinctively felt part of, but as that gradually retreated (from about 1840 onwards) alternatives had to be found to fill that gap.

 

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13 minutes ago, Austin Allegro said:

I think that's an interesting point about the US civil rights movement.

It had absolutely nothing to do with people in the UK, which has never had a colour bar. Yes there was racism but it was not an official government policy, which is what the movement was protesting about in the US. Prior to that, the prototype SJW causes were things like socialism and the suffragettes, but you can argue that was necessary to improve the general lot of people in Britain.

By the 1960s there was not much more that was needed to be done, which ironically was around the same time that SJW causes really took off.  It was probably  because large swathes of the young population just had nothing to strive for any more or work towards (Jimmy Porter in the 1956 play 'Look Back In Anger' rants about there being no good, brave causes left, for example) so they adopted/created SJW causes to give their lives meaning.

In some ways I also think it is connected to the decline in organised religion, which was a 'cause' that many people instinctively felt part of, but as that gradually retreated (from about 1840 onwards) alternatives had to be found to fill that gap.

 

There is an argument that religion in many countries was the control mechanism of the state, when that lost credibility/influence political ideology took its place.

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46 minutes ago, onlyme said:

There is an argument that religion in many countries was the control mechanism of the state, when that lost credibility/influence political ideology took its place.

Political ideology is the new religion. And just like religions of old, the followers believe it in without question. That's why you cannot have a rational conversation with a militant feminist about the gender pay gap - in their mind, facts and figures are just propaganda of the patriarchy. Their brain cannot process the idea that their belief might be wrong. Probably because they're so psychologically fragile it would destroy them. And it tends to be the mentally unstable that are drawn to these ideologies in the first place.

Of course, there are feminists like Anita Sarkeesian whom I suspect doesn't believe a word of it. She just realised there's a lot of money to be made playing the victim.

Most hardcore SJW's are, effectively, members of a religious cult. And, boy, do they pay the price if they dare to start thinking for themselves.

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2 hours ago, Frank Hovis said:

I have suspected this for many years but there has been a lack of evidence.

The start IME was the black civil rights movement in 1960s' US that somehow jumped the pond.  I remember an elderly teacher at my junior school proudly showing the class her blurred picture of Martin Luther King who had paused to say hello to her at a rally not long before he was shot.

I doubt that prior to the civil rights movement an elderly teacher in the rural south west had given a thought to the conditions of black people in the US; but glam it up with rock songs and protest marches and suddenly a rights movement is a holiday destination for English junior school teachers.

What matters to them is the struggle rather than the cause.  It made not one iota of difference to her how society was organised in Alabama but it gave her a cause to which to attach herself so she was happy.

 

I see similar for transgenderism these days.  In real life the tiny number of people I know with this ?condition want nothing more than to be treated the same as everybody else - politely. they are not banging the table saying that they are as much a man / woman as a born one, demanding to use particular toilets or join single sex groups.

Yet for your hardcore SJW activist this misses the point.  It is the battle that they want.  The protest, the shouting, the graffiti, the banners, the court cases, the news coverage of "the struggle". 

Their worst nightmare would be if everybody responded tomorrow with "absolutely, you're a man / woman if you say you're a man / woman; what laws do you want changed to reflect that?".

 

This story laid it bare for me; and also partly the Jussie Smollet saga.  They want to be the centre of attention, they want to be the victime, they want to be the star.

And that is all that at root really matters to them.  The cause is merely their means to their end of being a SJW superhero.  Even if it means that their pets die in agony to help them achieve that end; allegedly.
 

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-02-25/transgender-activist-accused-burning-down-own-home-hate-crime-killed-five-pets

Credit to @Stunley Andwin for finding the story.

I read about this story earlier today, it's a special kind of warrior that would allow their pets to die in such a horrific way. I want to think they didn't do it as it's scary to think that there could be people with that sort of mentality out there.

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2 hours ago, Dipsy said:

I read about this story earlier today, it's a special kind of warrior that would allow their pets to die in such a horrific way. I want to think they didn't do it as it's scary to think that there could be people with that sort of mentality out there.

Don't even think about correlating transgenderism with mental health issues, because there is no relationship at all, okay?

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People these days just want a reason to be offended, to the point where they'll "create" situations in which others may offend them.

Classic example of this is slow drivers who get upset when you overtake them. They're not day dreaming, they're actively looking for a reaction, to which they can offence.

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11 minutes ago, Snark said:

People these days just want a reason to be offended, to the point where they'll "create" situations in which others may offend them.

Classic example of this is slow drivers who get upset when you overtake them. They're not day dreaming, they're actively looking for a reaction, to which they can offence.

I had this a few weeks ago. 50mph road, clear conditions, people carrier type thing in front doing just over 30. Nice long straight comes up, I overtake, twat decides to speed up - good luck with that Buster, I'm in a 2.0 MX5  and you're in something that resembles a breeze block on wheels. Didn't stop flashing their lights for about half a mile, then I was out of their sight, half hoping they drove off the road in fury.

30 minutes ago, LC1 said:

Don't even think about correlating transgenderism with mental health issues, because there is no relationship at all, okay?

How transphobic of me, they are all sound as a pound.

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You are spot on, Frank, as are the other posters who point to the need that used to be filled by religion now being filled by politics.

I'd also add that most of the SJW's I knew didn't have any children, so I'd add that SJW-ism also fills that need too.

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48 minutes ago, LC1 said:

Don't even think about correlating transgenderism with mental health issues, because there is no relationship at all, okay?

I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic or not, if not you'd be better to provide an argument and not a dictate. You may be interested in this:

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I am a psychiatrist and I am INFURIATED that I am not allowed to treat people suffering from gender dysphoria.

For gender dysphoria, politics have overthrown medical science when it comes to treatment. Hormone replacement therapy and sexual reassignment surgery, when examined through exhaustive meta-analysis, fail to demonstrate strong evidence of efficacy in alleviating the core behavioral distress of the condition.

Or to put it another way: Genital mutilation does not work for a psychiatric disorder. As providers we should be doing all we can to heal both the body and the mind. We are supposed to be guides to help the sick. But our duty has been hijacked and supplanted by political ideology.

 

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Thank-you, thank-you for saying this. I can't imagine what it must be like to witness this trend from inside the profession. I do see it from the other side though, and it is deeply damaging.

Our son, then 28, came to believe he was trans; despite having a diagnosis of adolescent onset schizoaffective disorder (with insidious onset, a prodrome of about a year and a half and problems since birth) his therapist not only affirmed his statement, she requested he keep this a secret until she could meet with myself and his dad and him in a therapy session. I had already guessed what this "special session" was to be about. His dad and I are his primary caretakers, as he is not able to function independently and, though bright is in most ways maybe 13 years maturation wise. How is it responsible for a trained therapist to encourage a mentally ill low functioning person with a suicide risk to keep secrets from his caretakers ??? This alone had me livid !

https://www.reddit.com/r/GenderCritical/comments/ar9dss/i_am_a_psychiatrist_and_i_am_infuriated_that_i_am/

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2 hours ago, JoeDavola said:

You are spot on, Frank, as are the other posters who point to the need that used to be filled by religion now being filled by politics.

I'd also add that most of the SJW's I knew didn't have any children, so I'd add that SJW-ism also fills that need too.

There is also the possibility that the and feminists are purely vindictive and jealous of those that do have children / lead so called traditional lifestyles and wish to damage the prospect for that continuing as much as possible.

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23 hours ago, Frank Hovis said:

 It made not one iota of difference to her how society was organised in Alabama but it gave her a cause to which to attach herself so she was happy.

Whenever lefties start banging on about their campaigning for their pet causes like (so called) Palestine, I like to congratulate them with: “That’s brilliant. You’re really getting the hang of cultural imperialism. We need to teach those foreign savages our enlightened British values!”

Cue a fleeting look of existential confusion. Priceless! Usually have to deal with the cognitive dissonance rage afterwards though.

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1 hour ago, Hail the Tripod said:

Whenever lefties start banging on about their campaigning for their pet causes like (so called) Palestine, I like to congratulate them with: “That’s brilliant. You’re really getting the hang of cultural imperialism. We need to teach those foreign savages our enlightened British values!”

Cue a fleeting look of existential confusion. Priceless! Usually have to deal with the cognitive dissonance rage afterwards though.

Brilliant!

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Why does nobody care about Tibet any more? Or all the wildlife the Chinese are exterminating? They've made rocket launching Arab baby killers into a fashion statement, convinced everyone co2 is some apocalyptic pollutant and got a generation of attention seekers to fuck their kids genitals up. It's fucking crazy.

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4 hours ago, MrPin said:

I do think people like a fight, and sometimes have no cause, or at least the cause is not theirs.

I think sometimes they fight because others fight, and it's almost a social thing, like Veganism, religion, diet clubs, etc.......

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On 26/02/2019 at 11:04, Frank Hovis said:

The start IME was the black civil rights movement in 1960s' US that somehow jumped the pond.  I remember an elderly teacher at my junior school proudly showing the class her blurred picture of Martin Luther King who had paused to say hello to her at a rally not long before he was shot.

That'll teach him for standing still for more than 2 seconds

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