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sarahbell

The blue economy

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Amazing that after all this time, maybe 4 - 5 billion years, those "running" things weren't able to work out "how to develop a marine economy that is fair and sustainable".  

After this "international event" (international jolly) you can be sure the world still won't be any further forward and it will be back to troughing through smuggling immigrants, armaments, drugs and general people trafficking etc across the high seas and taxing anything that is remotely legal.

 

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33 minutes ago, Hopeful said:

Too late ... The sea is fucked

^ It's well on the way, hopefully some of the airmiles from the "save the planet" jolly can be used to improve the situation :wanker: 

Devon are trying to fix the problem of waste plastic in the sea & on their beaches.

The local dive club hold "underwater litterpicking" events, the council are trying to cut back on plastic use  https://new.devon.gov.uk/northdevonnews/2019/01/15/five-year-strategy-to-rid-northern-devon-of-single-use-plastics/ , one company is now using recyled waste plastic to make kayaks (which are then given to community groups who use them to collect more plastic litter) http://clevedonmarinelake.co.uk/category/recycled-plastic/ It's all just scratching the surface but it's a start.

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I expect another 10 million or so immigrants will be needed to pick up all the extra plastic litter from the massively increasing population - and to help the similarly endangered marine economy around the UK to be more sustainable.

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7 hours ago, Andersen said:

^ It's well on the way, hopefully some of the airmiles from the "save the planet" jolly can be used to improve the situation :wanker: 

Devon are trying to fix the problem of waste plastic in the sea & on their beaches.

The local dive club hold "underwater litterpicking" events, the council are trying to cut back on plastic use  https://new.devon.gov.uk/northdevonnews/2019/01/15/five-year-strategy-to-rid-northern-devon-of-single-use-plastics/ , one company is now using recyled waste plastic to make kayaks (which are then given to community groups who use them to collect more plastic litter) http://clevedonmarinelake.co.uk/category/recycled-plastic/ It's all just scratching the surface but it's a start.

All good stuff,

Plastics is one issue, and it's dominanting the press. Warming seas, and overfishing, and perhaps acidification are now overlooked as a result, but the sea is getting hot with consequences and there are fekk all fish left.

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7 hours ago, whitevanman said:

Radiation is good for the ocean. It stops humans from eating all the fish. 

That's an interesting point.

The Exclusion Zone around Tchernobyl is 100% free of humans and so has become something of a wildlife haven. Yes, there's a risk to the animals of dying from cancer - but it's relatively lower than the risk of getting hit by a car/hunted/having no prey because the humans have sprayed everything with Roundup.

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On 26/02/2019 at 12:39, Andersen said:

^ It's well on the way, hopefully some of the airmiles from the "save the planet" jolly can be used to improve the situation :wanker: 

Devon are trying to fix the problem of waste plastic in the sea & on their beaches.

The local dive club hold "underwater litterpicking" events, the council are trying to cut back on plastic use  https://new.devon.gov.uk/northdevonnews/2019/01/15/five-year-strategy-to-rid-northern-devon-of-single-use-plastics/ , one company is now using recyled waste plastic to make kayaks (which are then given to community groups who use them to collect more plastic litter) http://clevedonmarinelake.co.uk/category/recycled-plastic/ It's all just scratching the surface but it's a start.

No it isn't.  It is actually negative.  It makes people think that all we have to do is start looking after our planet and stop using disposable plastic and the problem will be resolved.  It won't.  We could all have special teams of divers that have cleaned absolutely all plastic waste from the UK coast out to the continental shelf and it wouldn't make any difference.  What is needed is a full understanding of what the problem is and who is responsible, and we're absolutely not getting that -- but people don't care because they think they're slowly solving the problem (hence net negative).

[hint -- the problem re disposable plastic isn't found in the UK, other than everyone neatly collecting their plastic waste for their local council to send to far away places for them to throw into their ground/rivers/sea]

And even then it wouldn't solve the problem -- the problem is the 100x more things than just disposable plastic, with overpopulation and consumerism leading the way.  The UK actually got a handle on overpopulation and started to resolve that problem, only for it to be squandered by immigration (because solving the problem impacts on GDP growth -- note, not GDP per-capita growth -- and TPTB got a bit worried).  Consumerism is merely out of control worldwide and no-one wants to solve it (because GDP).

[it is noteworthy that the only efforts to reduce the impact of consumerism on environmental grounds actually involve the production of more stuff to let people stop buying so much, and there isn't any evidence that they actually stop buying (eg, electric cars have a tax advantage, but there's no saving -- people mostly just put any meagre savings to buying more stuff and going on more holidays]

[But it is all fine because I'm a diver and picked up some plastic bottles (after the SCUBA kit used up many kg of CO2 equivalent), and then drove home in an electric car (which wouldn't be necessary if they just stayed at home and gov started a 'people should be able to live near they work' policy]

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Case in point:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-somerset-47395128

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Glastonbury Festival bans single-use plastic bottle sales

The actual impact of this?  

500,000* lovely heavy-duty plastic drinking bottles (3 each; one wouldn't be enough, darling), each of which will be thrown away after the festival, just like all the tents, sleeping bags and clothes.  Note that 500,000 multi-use plastic drinking bottles consume in manufacture far more plastic than 1,000,000 disposable bottles.  And aluminium bottles?  That's got an even larger CO2 footprint (of manufacture).

There's nothing wrong with the top-level sentiment, just that analysis only seems to ever go one-factor deep (ie, ban disposable plastic bottles => lower plastic use), rather than be fully considered.

Best thing Glastonbury did for the environment?  Glastonbury 2018.

[* or whatever --regardless, I'm sure it'll be loads and loads]

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1 hour ago, dgul said:

Case in point:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-somerset-47395128

The actual impact of this?  

500,000* lovely heavy-duty plastic drinking bottles (3 each; one wouldn't be enough, darling), each of which will be thrown away after the festival, just like all the tents, sleeping bags and clothes.  Note that 500,000 multi-use plastic drinking bottles consume in manufacture far more plastic than 1,000,000 disposable bottles.  And aluminium bottles?  That's got an even larger CO2 footprint (of manufacture).

There's nothing wrong with the top-level sentiment, just that analysis only seems to ever go one-factor deep (ie, ban disposable plastic bottles => lower plastic use), rather than be fully considered.

Best thing Glastonbury did for the environment?  Glastonbury 2018.

[* or whatever --regardless, I'm sure it'll be loads and loads]

Trouble is that most of the Festival goers are not deep thinkers and some of the shallowest and politically vocal people you will ever come across.

Glastonbury Festival 2019: 26th-30th June, 2019 Tickets have now Sold Out.

Nobody goes to get fucked out of their face and live like a tramp for the weekend, honest

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its contemporary performing arts innit.

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