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Snark

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You may have noticed that the MSM is currently running a lot of anti-internet, child safety and piracy propaganda, so I decided to have a poke around to see what's really going on and I found this:

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/02/28/age_check_adult_content_survey_unaware/
 

Looks almost innocent until you realise a) you'd have to have some sort of digital ID to access such sites or use an image of yourself for automatic age verification, not just an age verification box and b) this new legislation will give them the power to demand that any site of their choosing must ask their users for ID. I would assume that this also means they'll be able to access data on who has been using what websites, with or without VPN.


Now we all know the establishment doesn't give a flying fuck about children, so reading between the lines, this looks like the beginning in a major step to control what we're able to see online, perhaps even eventually to the point where any individual can have their ID revoked to prevent access to certain sites.

I think they're starting this with porn sites because nobody is going to publicly complain about it, but once that legislation is in place, they'd be able to do what they like regardless of the sites content.

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I think any criticism of anything/anyone will have to be carefully worded, referenced, logical and at a continuous level in future. In otherwords they will then have to censor unemotional truthful but blunt comments as they will have removed the hysterical fog that currently swamps such posts.

The net result will be the exact opposite of what they want to shortsightedly achieve.

Keep up the good work folks, keep posting and keep the low level harrassment with the truth up.

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I do support controls on access to porn for minors, as a society a lot of kids are being messed up by being able to (and more than willing to!) access hardcore porn at age 12. I know I did, and that was yonks ago when you had to wait 8 hours for a movie to download. There isn't really any solution or answer though, it's part and parce of having the internet. VPN sales are going to rocket.

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Looks like it kicks off in April.

It's worrying one two levels, first is ID theft, the second is the ability to then use this system to block any website for any user, including political opposition and the removal freedom of speech from the internet entirely.

The other concern is that sites will just block our little island and forget about it.

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The rise of VPN is almost guaranteed.

Whether it'll also result in an increase in TOR is an open question.

[VPN isn't that big a problem for TPTB (in terms of their surveillance of us), but mass use of TOR would be a disaster]

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12 minutes ago, dgul said:

The rise of VPN is almost guaranteed.

Whether it'll also result in an increase in TOR is an open question.

[VPN isn't that big a problem for TPTB (in terms of their surveillance of us), but mass use of TOR would be a disaster]

Well you see, Camerons porn filters gave an unknown entity the ability to add or remove IP addresses from the blacklists used by major internet servers, and i've gradually noticed VPN IPs getting blocked by more and more websites.

I'm considering a droplet server with it's own unblocked IP and setting up my own non-commercial private VPN on that, which shouldn't get blocked, but would limit me to one location.

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46 minutes ago, Snark said:

Looks almost innocent until you realise a) you'd have to have some sort of digital ID to access such sites or use an image of yourself for automatic age verification, not just an age verification box and b) this new legislation will give them the power to demand that any site of their choosing must ask their users for ID. I would assume that this also means they'll be able to access data on who has been using what websites, with or without VPN. 

I can see why you are concerned but also I agree with @spunko some control is needed so children can't access porn. It is a problem, boys as young as 9 or 10 are watching very depraved material. I'm not sure what the solution is, as a parent even if you control what your child accesses through the internet you can't control what their friends show them. Also I'd imagine nearly any measure put in place could be circumvented.

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5 minutes ago, Snark said:

Well you see, Camerons porn filters gave an unknown entity the ability to add or remove IP addresses from the blacklists used by major internet servers, and i've gradually noticed VPN IPs getting blocked by more and more websites.

I'm considering a droplet server with it's own unblocked IP and setting up my own non-commercial private VPN on that, which shouldn't get blocked, but would limit me to one location.

Seems like a massive amount of work just to access horse pron. 

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18 minutes ago, LC1 said:

Seems like a massive amount of work just to access horse pron. 

It's not really about porn though, the motivations are much more sinister and far reaching.
I mean currently to ban someone like TR on Facebook, they have to ask Facebook to do it, but starting from April they'll be putting a system in place that if abused would allow "them" to revoke your internet privileges to any site they like, remotely and without notice.

I'm all for keeping kids safe, but there are already solution for that, this lot is total overkill.......
 

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12 minutes ago, maudit said:

I can see why you are concerned but also I agree with @spunko some control is needed so children can't access porn. It is a problem, boys as young as 9 or 10 are watching very depraved material. I'm not sure what the solution is, as a parent even if you control what your child accesses through the internet you can't control what their friends show them. Also I'd imagine nearly any measure put in place could be circumvented. 

What all MPs have failed to understand for about 15 years is that any 12 year old boy is vastly superior in his technical knowledge than they are. You could put the boy in front a computer with the very best firewalls & filters and yet he'd still be able to circumvent them within about 5s.

The problem has been created mostly by liberals hyper-sexualising society and piously claiming that minors accessing hardcore porn or learning about trannies folding their vaginas inside out, doesn't do them any harm. The entire thing needs to be re-thought. Funnily enough we are told that Generation Y kids are drinking and smoking less, due to education about the risks of doing so. There needs to be a seismic shift in mindset around the damage that on-tap porn access can have to a 10 year old kid. If these kids knew the risks they'd not access it as much, same with smoking cessation etc.

 

The problem is that society has told them there is nothing wrong with it.

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Just now, inactionman said:

This just reminded me to setup the extension for my browser, so it's all over my VPN.

Buy stock in VPN providers! haha

NordVPN sponsors the Premier League IIRC, they must be rolling in it.

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37 minutes ago, maudit said:

I can see why you are concerned but also I agree with @spunko some control is needed so children can't access porn. It is a problem, boys as young as 9 or 10 are watching very depraved material. I'm not sure what the solution is, as a parent even if you control what your child accesses through the internet you can't control what their friends show them. Also I'd imagine nearly any measure put in place could be circumvented.

And somehow they think teaching primary school children about sex and all manner of relationships is a good idea.

Most young children though occasionally cheeky about sex (questions), are really not into boys and girls stuff; is this not our biological programming?

Then along some the Common Purpose purves and its political arm.

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24 minutes ago, Snark said:

It's not really about porn though, the motivations are much more sinister and far reaching.
I mean currently to ban someone like TR on Facebook, they have to ask Facebook to do it, but starting from April they'll be putting a system in place that if abused would allow "them" to revoke your internet privileges to any site they like, remotely and without notice.

I'm all for keeping kids safe, but there are already solution for that, this lot is total overkill.......
 

I know: I can't help but be facetious sometimes. Serious issue though, and I agree about the sinister Big Brother implications. Control of the internet is one of the last remaining battles to be fought in the war for total control. 

This whole Momo thing is all part-and-parcel of that, I imagine. Whip up parental hysteria, and you're halfway there. Something must be done etc.

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The Internet is already dead, filled up with too many "boxed set" on-demand services. It has become a receive only service, the replacement to television.

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9 minutes ago, MrPin said:

The Internet is already dead, filled up with too many "boxed set" on-demand services. It has become a receive only service, the replacement to television.

As a renowned futurologist, I predicted this about 10 years ago. At the time I thought we were living in the golden age of the internet. Decent broadband speed and next to no content restriction. It would have been even better if the users had been as they were in the 90s - students or people with the wherewithal to find £2k for a computer, but I digress.

Anyway, my prediction now is the same as it was then. Eventually you won't buy access to the internet. Once the net is no longer neutral wrt. Data (inevitable) then you'll buy a package that will include e.g. Google, Netflix etc. The data carriers are incredibly pissed that there are many organisations making much more from the content than they are from carrying the data and maintaining the infrastructure, so eventually it will converge.

Amazon, Netflix, Google, MS etc. Won't be things that happen over the internet they will actually BE (for the vast majority at least) the internet.

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1 hour ago, spunko said:

What all MPs have failed to understand for about 15 years is that any 12 year old boy is vastly superior in his technical knowledge than they are. You could put the boy in front a computer with the very best firewalls & filters and yet he'd still be able to circumvent them within about 5s.

The problem has been created mostly by liberals hyper-sexualising society and piously claiming that minors accessing hardcore porn or learning about trannies folding their vaginas inside out, doesn't do them any harm. The entire thing needs to be re-thought. Funnily enough we are told that Generation Y kids are drinking and smoking less, due to education about the risks of doing so. There needs to be a seismic shift in mindset around the damage that on-tap porn access can have to a 10 year old kid. If these kids knew the risks they'd not access it as much, same with smoking cessation etc.

 

The problem is that society has told them there is nothing wrong with it.

If boys were told they might have issues with erectile dysfunction and not be able to enjoy 'normal' sex with a woman by over-consuming porn would this have had any effect or would it be ignored in the same way we ignored hysterical PSHE lessons about ecstacy and cannabis? Interesting parallel you give with smoking/alcohol shows it might be possible if the negative effects were determined by research and then made widely known.

 

 

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With apologies to Martin Niemoller:

First they came for the porn sites, and I said nothing,
After all, you don't want anyone to think you're some sort of pervert, do you?

Then they came for the political sites, and we all kept schtum,
Because if you spoke up, you'd instantly be branded a racist.

Then they came for the VPNs, I couldn't be bothered to object,
American soap operas such are a tedious waste of bandwidth anyway.

No-one has come for me, the internet is much safer now, but a little lonely,
Hang on, there's someone at the door, I wonder who it could be at this time of night.... 

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59 minutes ago, LC1 said:

I know: I can't help but be facetious sometimes. Serious issue though, and I agree about the sinister Big Brother implications. Control of the internet is one of the last remaining battles to be fought in the war for total control. 

This whole Momo thing is all part-and-parcel of that, I imagine. Whip up parental hysteria, and you're halfway there. Something must be done etc.

Give it a few years and that psychological blackmail won`t work , my elderly parents see stories like that and say that`s terrible ,my early twenties daughter sees it exactly the as us 

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1 hour ago, Virgil Caine said:

Given the appalling broadband service experienced by many Brits I would have thought the Internet was pretty restricted in the UK already.

It got considerably worse when Camerons porn filtering was implemented, all DNS traffic has to go through the filters, which all takes time and when 5 million people are using the internet, it soon becomes a backlog.

The primary cause of slow downs is ISPs not buying as much wholesale bandwidth as they promise to all of their customers.

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I am currently in the US. Just got a VPN to circumvent the geo blocker on Amazon prime. And the So-Called BBC. It's a piece of piss. Going to live in Beijing in the Second half of the year, so I will need it there too.

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Fuck Me! I'd rather have teenagers finding videos of people having sex, than all the blood guns and zombies of the latest greatest "Boxed Set"

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