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The Masked Tulip

Europe - a far off place of which we know too much

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Tears at both #BBC and #ITV News Centres. I have to admit, never thought the people would go for #Brexit with all the #ProjectFear stuff and a general resistance to change. But we did - a huge decision.

It has been a long nine months or so to get to #Article50, now is the real test of Teresa May's mettle. I am optimistic about the country's future. (I doubt that the Scots will leave us either.)

The world is our oyster; a rocky road ahead, but nowhere near as bad as portrayed by some. We will adjust. It may be the making of us as a nation.

Wednesday, 29th March 2017 - an historic day.

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Feeling ambivalent about this. I'm probably about 52% leave; I expected that the referendum result would lead to some deal like Norway has. Instead, we have a government gunning for hard brexit, their resolve reinforced by the utter idiocy of the Remoaners who seem incapable of bringing anything to the table other than threats and insults, and an Opposition party that is totally involved in its own civil war and no longer gives a hoot about the fate of the country.

Strange times.

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Don't honestly care, the world will carry on turning, German cars might become unaffordable for plebs who used to be quite happy with Escorts 'n' Fiestas, interest rates may rise and in real terms I might be poorer. The flip side is we might actually rid ourselves of swivel eyed, power crazed, socialist meglamaniacs and their pet political project.

I would love to know the true history of this project to be made public, but it won't.

 

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Personally I'd have just repealed the European Communities Act on the spot the moment the result was decided and left immediately. However. Article 50 is better than nowt. If we don't properly leave the EU by the 2020 general election, then with around 420 constituencies voting leave, we definitely will do straight after, something I don't think the pro EU campion seem to have grasped properly.

Having said that, I'm still expecting a pro-independence bloc vote in 2020 will be required to do it properly.

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1 minute ago, blobloblob said:

Personally I'd have just repealed the European Communities Act on the spot the moment the result was decided and left immediately. However. Article 50 is better than nowt. If we don't properly leave the EU by the 2020 general election, then with around 420 constituencies voting leave, we definitely will do straight after, something I think the pro EU campion seem to have grasped properly.

Having said that, I'm still expecting a pro-independence bloc vote in 2020 will be required to do it properly.


Alot of people who voted Leave in 2016 will be dead by 2020.

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5 minutes ago, The Masked Tulip said:


Alot of people who voted Leave in 2016 will be dead by 2020.

This is what they are gambling on, it is my personal opinion that we will be betrayed. 

You only have to see the platitudes being trotted out by the pm tonight on BBC & Guardian about  "brexiteers & remoaners uniting together as we go forward for a truly global britain" pffft 

The first betrayal will be a greatly extended A50 negotiating period 

You read it here first! 

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40 minutes ago, Chewing Grass said:

Don't honestly care, the world will carry on turning, German cars might become unaffordable for plebs who used to be quite happy with Escorts 'n' Fiestas, interest rates may rise and in real terms I might be poorer. The flip side is we might actually rid ourselves of swivel eyed, power crazed, socialist meglamaniacs and their pet political project.

I would love to know the true history of this project to be made public, but it won't.

 

Psshh, keep this between ourselves but it was set up by the CIA

Jean Monnet and Robert Schuman, the founding fathers, were CIA agents.

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I think quite a lot of leave voters would have voted to remain if Europe was still in its pre Maastricht format (ie essentially just a single trading market with a customs union).

It is the politicians attempts to drive through ever closer union that really screwed the pooch

I am not sure we wil be going back if only because I dont think the status quo ante is going to be on offer from the EU once Article 50 is invoked.  

All new EU states from 2020 will have to join the Euro.

Economically and politically  I dont think things are going to be great in the UK over the next few years but then I expect them to be even worse in the Eurozone and the EU.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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25 minutes ago, WorkingPoor said:

This is what they are gambling on, it is my personal opinion that we will be betrayed. 

You only have to see the platitudes being trotted out by the pm tonight on BBC & Guardian about  "brexiteers & remoaners uniting together as we go forward for a truly global britain" pffft 

The first betrayal will be a greatly extended A50 negotiating period 

You read it here first! 

Yes I can imagine that playing out!

However should this future come to pass I doubt that there will be a united Europe. It's not only people in the UK who are unhappy about the EU.

 

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I am totally optimistic about Brexit. I think it's a fantastic moment in this nation's history. The remoaners are obviously praying that the UK  goes down the pan hole just to satisfy their own prejudices. These sad bastards will go to any lengths to sabotage the UK. They don't care about the UK.

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13 minutes ago, Drew Butler said:

Yep, we will never leave in any true sense of the word. It's not what the elites want. Free movement unaffected, unlimited immigration a go-go

Well that's you and Workingpoor... what about the rest of the EU? They (the 27) don't want us hanging around and we don't want to either. So how is it going to happen?

The elites want certainty, they will do their best to fuck us over... in or out.

The pro EU'ers where about to unleash something terrible upon us and needed the remain vote to back this up... We are so fucking lucky we voted out.

 

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1 minute ago, XswampyX said:

Well that's you and Workingpoor... what about the rest of the EU? They (the 27) don't want us hanging around and we don't want to either. So how is it going to happen?

The elites want certainty, they will do their best to fuck us over... in or out.

The pro EU'ers where about to unleash something terrible upon us and needed the remain vote to back this up... We are so fucking lucky we voted out.

 

Just in the nick of time...

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9 hours ago, The Masked Tulip said:


Alot of people who voted Leave in 2016 will be dead by 2020.

A lot will depend on what happens in the EU in the meantime. I don't think that the EU can keep papering over the cracks for that long, which will hopefully help lift the scales from the eyes of some of the callow youth who fell for the project fear propaganda.

Alot of those people who voted leave in 2016 who will be dead by 2020 must have actually voted to stay in the common market in 1975. :)

 

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What a glorious day!

I thought the government would never risk giving the public a vote - I was wrong.

I thought project fear would work - I was wrong.

I thought the delays in triggering Article 50 were deliberate to enable some compromise to be cooked up that was sufficiently different to require another referendum - I was wrong.

We've done it, free from the EU prison at last!

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Who do you think you are kidding Mrs. Merkel, if you think we're on the run.

A great day and one that I am slightly surprised is actually happening. The other side of the coin is the question of whether the EU will still exist in 2 years time? It appears to be irrreversibly splitting into 3 groups, Germany and its vassals, the so-called "Club Med" led by France and the Visegrad 4 (possibly to soon become the Visegrad 5 with Slovenia).

Does anyone think there is a way to reconcile these differences?

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46 minutes ago, SpectrumFX said:

I don't think that the EU can keep papering over the cracks for that long, which will hopefully help lift the scales from the eyes of some of the callow youth who fell for the project fear propaganda.

 

Tbh, I'm disappointed in the British youth that think the EU is wonderful. It's British teenagers that have to compete for jobs with migrants that think £7 an hour is an awesome wage.

I work on a building site and I've been told there are Portuguese tradesmen working for £5 an hour.

Less migrants = more jobs for Brits and higher wages.

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