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I played a lot of poker about a decade ago, mostly drunk, mostly against yanks. I did quite well until the yanks were all banned from playing online. Playing drunk against a load sober Germans, Brits and Russians was too difficult so I gave up.

After giving up the booze I am now back on the poker tables and after a few games have been restored to my slightly-better-than-average pomp. I find I am best at the longer tournaments as my strength is patience and changing gears. I am very tight early on and very aggressive late on.

My current balance is $21, up from my initial deposit of $20 about a week ago. It is unlikely I will turn professional in the short to medium term at least. I am hoping some of the American states re-legalise online gambling so I can be a big shark in a small pond again.

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2 minutes ago, SillyBilly said:

Sober poker doesn't really appeal to me, winning or not. Been a while since I played too albeit I'd rather not start the habit again so all is good. Best of luck :Passusabeer:.

It is quite grindy, but what I lose in grindiness I gain in ability. All those times I would "just go all in because I have had enough of this prick" are eliminated. 

Boy, if those yanks ever come back I will be making tens of dollars a week instead of just dollars.

Latest result: 67th out of 593 in a $500 freeroll. $1.55 successfully banked for 2 hours work. That is 77.5 cents an hour which equates to £1612 salary. Basically my level of poker is currently Pakistan:

     
70 Syria 1,840 $ 153 $
71 India 1,800 $ 150 $
72 Pakistan 1,580 $ 132 $
73 Bangladesh 1,470 $ 123 $
74 Kenya 1,460 $ 122 $
75 Ethiopia 740 $ 62 $
76 Afghanistan 560 $ 47 $
77 Democratic Republic of the Congo 460 $ 38 $
   

 

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played a fair bit a few years back, ended up jibbing it, just got sick of nob heads lucking out all the time having spent hours in a mtt

finger developed a twitch of its own as well after a while

wasn't all bad tho highlights included a £4k ish online tourney win and a trip to prague to play in a £1k buy in tourney

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1 hour ago, lid said:

played a fair bit a few years back, ended up jibbing it, just got sick of nob heads lucking out all the time having spent hours in a mtt

finger developed a twitch of its own as well after a while

wasn't all bad tho highlights included a £4k ish online tourney win and a trip to prague to play in a £1k buy in tourney

Semi-pro! My biggest win was about $2k 10 years ago.

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nice feeling getting a decent win here and there, but thought the juice wasn't worth the squeeze in the end for the effort involved

now refocused on cracking betfair again there's gold in tham thar hills :Passusabeer:

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34 minutes ago, lid said:

nice feeling getting a decent win here and there, but thought the juice wasn't worth the squeeze in the end for the effort involved

now refocused on cracking betfair again there's gold in tham thar hills :Passusabeer:

Arbitrage betting?

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I've never bothered with proper poker but still have my set of poker dice from school. I once fluked a 'success' at cards. We used to cut the cards twice, highest score won. I noticed there was a red line part way down one side of the pack so drew it out of interest. It was the ace of spades. Then I remembered doing my homework the evening before, I didn't have a ruler so had picked the top card to underline the headings in red felt tip pen. That card came in very handy!

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Worth a watch, kids that made millions at online poker, before the US ban (taking out a potential 300m players from the global pool). I guess the casinos thought that it was THEIR money that they should be taking in.

I suspect now people use programs/algorithms to aid them online. The last time I heard, it's mostly pros against pros. The low hanging fruit is mostly gone. If you have the edge, you will win.

 

 

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I...dabbled...in online poker after getting the bug from watching the 'Devil Fish' on tv many moons ago. Managed to break the habit, and for last 10 years or so I've limited myself to putting in just $20 at chrimbo and $20 in June, when it's gone it's gone and I don't think about it until next time comes round, the most I've made my pot last is a month and a half. I also stopped playing Texas Holdem and only ever play Omaha Hi-Lo, it really rewards the patient player and I find it a lot more interesting to play.

I'm on pokerstars.uk btw, where do you guys play?

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I'm on Pokerstars and 888. I am up on both so far just playing micro stakes tournaments. The most striking thing I have found is that there are almost no total fish on there. Players are on the whole reasonably tight and aggressive. 888 slightly weaker but the waits are longer. I like their leveling system though - it grants entry to regular freerolls. The higher level you attain, the more freerolls you are entitled to enter.

Best performances over the last week have been 90-odd out of 1000 in a $5.50 (free ticket) to win $15 and 6th out of 200 in a $1(?) to win $13.

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2 minutes ago, Frank Hovis said:

This is an awesome way of earning money; I'm packing in my job tomorrow and signing up!

There are two types of poker: cash games and tournament play. Cash games are where you bet real money on every hand; tournaments are where you pay a set price to enter and receive the same number of chips as everyone else. I only play tournaments as cash games are very very dangerous with regards to bankroll management.

The most striking difference between 10 years ago and now is that at every level the competition is so evenly matched that there is little edge to be had by anyone but the most ill matched players. ie. If a pro player wanted to play in micro stakes tournaments then they would definitely make a micro profit, but then if they were to play pro tournaments they would struggle to cover their entry fees.

I was reading about Daniel Negreanu, one of the true greats of poker, knows the game inside out, absolutely superb. He was reviewing his 2018 season. He invested $2.7 million in entry fees and won ... just under $2.7 million. An $80,000 loss on the season. That says it all to me.

At every level now poker has been more-or-less "solved". People will re-raise you all in if you try to be aggressive, they will routinely call your continuation bets, they will fold when they have nothing, they will call your dodgy all-in on weakness plays, they will use their larger chip stack to bully you, when small staked they will pick their spots excellently to ensure they steal rising blinds, they are patient, they are controlled, they understand the odds. There is (almost) no edge anymore unless you are a pro and want to play beneath yourself.

Conclusion: I just play for fun.

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1 minute ago, billfunk said:

There are two types of poker: cash games and tournament play. Cash games are where you bet real money on every hand; tournaments are where you pay a set price to enter and receive the same number of chips as everyone else. I only play tournaments as cash games are very very dangerous with regards to bankroll management.

The most striking difference between 10 years ago and now is that at every level the competition is so evenly matched that there is little edge to be had by anyone but the most ill matched players. ie. If a pro player wanted to play in micro stakes tournaments then they would definitely make a micro profit, but then if they were to play pro tournaments they would struggle to cover their entry fees.

I was reading about Daniel Negreanu, one of the true greats of poker, knows the game inside out, absolutely superb. He was reviewing his 2018 season. He invested $2.7 million in entry fees and won ... just under $2.7 million. An $80,000 loss on the season. That says it all to me.

At every level now poker has been more-or-less "solved". People will re-raise you all in if you try to be aggressive, they will routinely call your continuation bets, they will fold when they have nothing, they will call your dodgy all-in on weakness plays, they will use their larger chip stack to bully you, when small staked they will pick their spots excellently to ensure they steal rising blinds, they are patient, they are controlled, they understand the odds. There is (almost) no edge anymore unless you are a pro and want to play beneath yourself.

Conclusion: I just play for fun.

Interesting thanks.  I thought we were still at the point upthread where a bit of dedication and soem natural talent meant that you could make a lot of money; it reads like that finished ten years' ago.

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44 minutes ago, Frank Hovis said:

Interesting thanks.  I thought we were still at the point upthread where a bit of dedication and soem natural talent meant that you could make a lot of money; it reads like that finished ten years' ago.

I think you still can but you have to be completely obsessive about it and spend hours analysing hands, a la chess. It's not for me though as I have never been academic and as I say the higher up you go the more resistance there is. If Negreanu isn't making money (from winning poker tournaments) then I will be damned if I am going to try.

Positive news from across the pond is that several states are looking at legalising online gambling again which means hopefully we get the big spending, casual, yanks back in.

Nothing against yanks as they have the best players in the world. It's just that they also have the worst players in the world. Back in the day I used to take out $5 buy in, 50 man tournaments with great regularity playing against mainly Americans. Those $125 pay days are definitely worth the effort and made it a "hobby that paid". Oh, for those times again!

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It's a battle against yourself. The desire to have fun versus the desire to make money.

If 888 still has the replay option, then that would be the best site to start with. Replaying your hands after a session is most educational. wtf did I ...why didn't I...etc.  The fish never review their play. With 888, you don't need to buy replay software.

What kills the profit is the rake. The 'pros' have a rakeback deal. For a better profit, learn online then have a regular home game. No rake and less able opponents than you. :)

  

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This takes me back, seems like there's a few of us used to play whilst it was still the wild west. I used to play cheap turbos against drunk Americans and turn a decent profit, played a few MTTs and did OK. Haven't played for years though. 

Some of the guys I used to play with are still active on the scene though. Some of them doing quite well.

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I used to play a bit of texas hold'em back in the day on party poker but it has been a long time since I've last played. Did manage a bit of live poker in Vegas at the horseshoe and the some of the casinos on the strip but didn't really take it too seriously. Never really liked the vibe around the tables tbh and would play limit instead as not as aggressive. Preferred single deck blackjack for a more lighthearted evening and usually would end up nicely most nights.

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On 29/03/2019 at 12:41, Frank Hovis said:

This is an awesome way of earning money; I'm packing in my job tomorrow and signing up!

Well used to earn about 35 quid a day farming gold in world of Warcraft 15 years ago pisser no chance of geting caught by social has the money was western union or Paypal but your looking at 10 hours a day so in theory cheap labour but if you’ve got no job well it’s a nice top up I’ve sold care tor’s in legend of Mir for well over 2k sav666 and cyberlord were just 2 I sold

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On 31/03/2019 at 14:25, Democorruptcy said:

I have a mate who works for an online poker firm and his job is spotting players who are playing as a team, against others on the same table. Apparently it's rife.

I could learn tricks has I’ve lots of friends who work for 365 it’s in stoke

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17 hours ago, stokiescum said:

I could learn tricks has I’ve lots of friends who work for 365 it’s in stoke

I met that mate from when I did software for the betting industry, he worked for a bookmaker at the time. Denise at 365 was Provincial Racing then and another of my customers. Last year I bumped into her on a walk in Cheshire, first time I've got chatting to a billionnairess xD

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