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Anti-EU populists surge in Dutch election, Nexit risk rises

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Maybe explains EU hardline on UK

 

https://www.france24.com/en/20190321-anti-eu-populists-surge-netherlands-election-exit-poll-utrecht-rutte

Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte will lose his senate majority after upstart anti-EU populists surged in provincial elections just two days after a suspected terror attack in Utrecht.

Controversial eurosceptic Thierry Baudet's Forum for Democracy party came from nowhere to be the second biggest in parliament's upper house after Rutte's, an exit poll by leading broadcaster NOS said.

The coalition led by Rutte's centre-right VVD party is set to collapse from 38 to 31 seats in the 75-seat senate, which passes legislation approved by the lower house.

The blow for Rutte -- who painstakingly formed his ruling coalition to freeze out the far-right after general elections in 2017 -- will be closely watched abroad ahead of European Parliament elections in May.

Self-proclaimed intellectual Baudet -- who faced criticism after failing to stop campaigning after Monday's shooting on a tram in Utrecht in which three people died -- slammed Rutte's record on immigration.

"We are being destroyed by the people who are supposed to be protecting us," the telegenic 36-year-old told a crowd that chanted his name on Wednesday night.

"Successive Rutte governments have left our borders wide open, letting in hundreds of thousands of people with cultures completely different to ours."

Referring to the fact that the Turkish-born Utrecht suspect had only been released from jail two weeks ago, he added: "We have seen it in Utrecht on Monday, rapists and thieves go free. It's shameful."

Baudet has previously called for a "Nexit", or exit from the EU by the Netherlands, but has recently backtracked on as the chaos over Britain's departure from the bloc escalates.

The flamboyant former academic is known for controversial statements such as "women in general excel less in jobs and have less ambition".

'Get to work'

After eight years in power, Rutte, meanwhile, is an influential figure in Europe including in its Brexit negotiations, but the result leaves him vulnerable at home and needing to rely on other parties to pass legislation.

"We are going to have to get to work," Rutte told supporters. "We have to talk with other parties so we can continue to lead this country well."

Rutte's VVD is set to drop from 13 to 12 but the other coalition partners took a hammering with the left-leaning progressive D66 falling from 10 to 7 and the Christian Democrat CDA from 12 to 8, although ChristenUnie rises from 3 to 4.

Baudet led his party to win 10 seats.

The anti-Islam Freedom Party led by far-right politician Geert Wilders is set to win six seats, down from nine, but could be influential if it teams up with Baudet.

Long a standard bearer for the far right in the Netherlands and more widely across Europe, the bleach-blonde Wilders appeared to have lost seats to the newer figure of Baudet.

Rutte could now be left to rely on opposition parties to pass legislation, including the leftist ecological party GroenLinks (Green Left) party led by Jesse Klaver, which had a good night and is set to double its seats from four to eight.

Senate members will officially be decided in May by the 570 representatives elected to the country's 12 provinces in Wednesday's election.

The head of the Dutch socialist party had called the vote a "Rutte referendum", although Rutte has insisted he would not step down if his coalition lost its majority.

However after nearly a decade in power, Rutte has been widely tipped to take up a top EU post in Brussels when the current set-up led by European Commission chief Jean-Claude Juncker steps down later this year.

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I would hope that the writing is on the wall for Holland given the proposed France Germany political nexus.

They have always been squeezed between the big powers and in an increasingly bilateral EU (Italy coming to its senses and Spain an irrelevance) history is likely to repeat.  

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5 minutes ago, Bkkandrew said:

Someone who is popular. Why is that difficult to understand for these elites? (Who are unpopular).

That is the sort of explanation I was expecting, but what does it really mean, and why is there a word for it?

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6 minutes ago, Bkkandrew said:

Someone who is popular. Why is that difficult to understand for these elites? (Who are unpopular).

As you said.  Because they're unpopular

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Just now, Byron said:

It's not a real word, it is used by disgruntled lefties to explain to themselves why the electorate have rejected their policies.

It is similar to the other lefty catch phrase 'The Far Right is on the rise in Europe and America'

which of course means that the left is out of date and no longer wanted by electorates.

Careful with your words, as I don't understand "lefties" and "far right" either

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58 minutes ago, Bedrag Justesen said:

Populists propose popular policies purporting Populism propagated by popular politicians.

Popular politicians pushing popular policies are a threat to democracy.

Democracy depends on people being represented by a majority of the voting public.

If we allow Populism to prosper democracy will give way to people just voting for popular politicians with popular policies. 

This is not true democracy.

True democracy means doing what is right, and what is best for the public, regardless of whether these policies are popular.

The surge in popularity of far-right politicians, with extremist, right of centre policies, anti- globalist, anti-multiculturalist, pro-nationalist, protectionist agendas must not be allowed to prevail.

We must reject Populism.

Demand democracy !

 

I expect that'll be popular.

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1 hour ago, Paulie said:

I would hope that the writing is on the wall for Holland given the proposed France Germany political nexus.

They have always been squeezed between the big powers and in an increasingly bilateral EU (Italy coming to its senses and Spain an irrelevance) history is likely to repeat.  

The Netherlands has been a remarkable country throughout history.  Such a small country, which they have expanded through ingenuity and hard work, and refocussed to become a highly successful outward facing trading nation.  Not that I'd buy their tomatoes, sorry!

Edited by Harley

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1 hour ago, leonardratso said:

is that hitler chap still around? I might give him another try, didnt end so well last time, but everyone deserves a second chance. He was fairly popular if i remember correctly.

And boy could he dance, so say "The Producers".  Perfect for a Strictly comeback!

"Springtime for Brexit and everyone........"

"Come on now, be a smarty, come and join the leavers party"

Edited by Harley

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4 hours ago, Byron said:

It's not a real word, it is used by disgruntled lefties to explain to themselves why the electorate have rejected their policies.

It is similar to the other lefty catch phrase 'The Far Right is on the rise in Europe and America'

which of course means that the left is out of date and no longer wanted by electorates.

Very good explanation!

Lefties have been scaremongering about the 'rise of the far right' or 'the spectre of Fascism' etc for as long as I can remember - certainly the mid 1980s and they've probably been doing it from the moment Hitler shot himself in 1945!

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2 minutes ago, Austin Allegro said:

Very good explanation!

Lefties have been scaremongering about the 'rise of the far right' or 'the spectre of Fascism' etc for as long as I can remember - certainly the mid 1980s and they've probably been doing it from the moment Hitler shot himself in 1945!

It's not a good explanation as you have just said "lefties" and "far right", so you are explaining one piece of Newspeak with another.O.o

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5 minutes ago, Austin Allegro said:

Very good explanation!

Lefties have been scaremongering about the 'rise of the far right' or 'the spectre of Fascism' etc for as long as I can remember - certainly the mid 1980s and they've probably been doing it from the moment Hitler shot himself in 1945!

did he? i watched that documentary 'the boys from brazil' and apparently he was still good and alive in south america somewhere, or maybe his ideology was, i cant remember, had some dogs in it as well and some of fimbles bestest buddies.

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Nationalists replace conservatives in Holland

Conservatives conserve nothing. Not the marriage, not the ladies room, and not the nation. They are feckless, hapless, virtue-signalers defined chiefly for their ability to lose to the Left. Nationalists are taking power in Austria, Holland, Hungary, Italy, and Switzerland, and it is only a matter of time before they do so in France and Germany as well.

Ignore the gatekeepers. Reject them with the contempt that is their due. They are doing the work of the globalist Left in trying to prevent the rise of true nationalism in the place of their fake "civic nationalist" statism.

http://voxday.blogspot.com/2019/03/nationalists-replace-conservatives-in.html

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5 hours ago, leonardratso said:

is that hitler chap still around? I might give him another try, didnt end so well last time, but everyone deserves a second chance. He was fairly popular if i remember correctly.

You didn't just do that, did you?

My understanding of populism is any political movement which is not a part of the well established left/ right  pretend democratic theatre. Populist means bad, the other, external, fringe, dangerous, uneducated, mob like, and unthinking.

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8 minutes ago, Shaneyson said:

You didn't just do that, did you?

My understanding of populism is any political movement which is not a part of the well established left/ right  pretend democratic theatre. Populist means bad, the other, external, fringe, dangerous, uneducated, mob like, and unthinking.

That's the problem with Universal Suffrage in the modern world as officially defined.

'The concept of universal suffrage, also known as general suffrage or common suffrage, consists of the right to vote of all adult citizens, regardless of property ownership, income, race, ethnicity, or intellect, subject only to minor exceptions'.

People should only vote for approved political parties, which as you suggest is either a) Tory or b) Labour with the option of c) Liberal Democrat if you can't choose either of those or want to spoil your paper.

Anything else is therefore populist and verboten.

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8 hours ago, Bedrag Justesen said:

This is not true democracy.

True democracy means doing what is right, and what is best for the public, regardless of whether these policies are popular.

Except that presumes that doing what is “right” isn’t popular. Which it often is.

Democracy is simply the election of representatives by popular vote.  The entire point of democracy is that people choose the party with the policies they like best.. and the most popular party/candidate wins.  To try to separate democracy and populism is a fools errand IMHO,  the two are essentially synonymous.

For example,  the left have historically promoted “popular” policies like free school meals, higher minimum wages, more public spending, free money for everyone..  etc.  This has usually been tempered by the right who attempt to appeal to more traditional values and point out the economic or tax implications in order to win popular support. 

Either way,  each is vying to offer the most popular proposition to the electorate.  

You could argue that populism is an essential dynamic of democracy rather than any kind of threat to it.

 

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