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I would like to know just how many barricading the So-Called BBC work inside the So-Called BBC. I mean, it was Friday and almost time to go home. Don't want to go far as it might rain. Plus we have loos here and Pablo, the South American guy who delivers our coffee, says he won't come all the way to Traflagar Square. Let's just go outside and have a sit down.

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I heard one these guys on the radio use the words "debt-based monetary system" which immediately increased my sympathy with their cause by a factor of 10. Anyone who has the basic intelligence to link

They're marxists using this shit as a cover to impose a totalitarian communist state. I am concerned about overpopulation and the environment, and it's true that the communists do have a very goo

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39 minutes ago, Caravan Monster said:

Listened to the rest of the Extinction Rebellion lady's speech. Her analysis of fractional reserve banking and the societal impacts of debt creation are spot on, more or less complete agreement. Then she goes onto solutions, which are basically pure lib dem / green (maybe labour, difficult to tell what they want a lot of the time) Basically she is suggesting that bigger government and higher taxes will solve everything, sold on the lines of 'look at the evil corporations dodging tax, we will take that money and redistribute it to you, the oppressed comrades'. I think addressing the inequalities created by economic liberalism with socialism was tried a while back, and didn't end well.

The take away from this speech was that ER thinking appeals to the same upper middle class snobbery as the remain types / lib dems / greens against populism 'we have been to university and have proper jobs in admin and teaching and know better than the little people whose tiny minds can only handle going to football, getting tattoos and driving vans, so we will take charge of the important decisions because you are not capable'. Also, there was little or no mention of the environment, suspect the imminent extinction narrative is being used to sell a purely political movement to the young and impressionable. 

I think that is a spot on analysis.


The strange thing I find is that the kind of people who gravitate to this sort of thinking are the same sort that would have been colonial administrators a century ago. They are upper and middle class people who feel their God given  destiny is shoulder the White Mans burden and to run the lives of the lesser breeds without the law. I have often wondered if that is part of the motivation for wanting uncontrolled immigration. It is almost as if the Empire has gone so now they seem to want to compensate by  creating some sort of British Empire fantasy theme park in the UK which they will run and boss about everyone else regardless of race, colour or religion. Lots of representatives of immigrant leaders also like pander to this delusion which is why so much of their rhetoric is dated as well. The White Mans burden narrative also informs the ‘regime change’ foreign policy mentality of so many of these individuals who like the late Jo Cox were quite happy to contemplate the use of military force to overthrow foreign governments, like that of Assad, which they don’t like.
 

With regard to ER the one thing I notice that is entirely missing from their agenda is a coherent plan for phasing out the use of fossil fuels which should be the primary aim of any environmental movement as there are lots of potential benefits beyond the ecological impact which could make it a vote winner. Not least of the latter would be the elimination of expensive, disruptive and dangerous wars fought over the control of oilfields. This lack of any meaningful aim apart from a desire to boss everyone else about is why  I can’t take the likes of ER seriously. They are hallmarks of a civilisation and an old governing class in its final stages of disintegration rather a true harbinger of something new.

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33 minutes ago, Virgil Caine said:

I think that is a spot on analysis.


The strange thing I find is that the kind of people who gravitate to this sort of thinking are the same sort that would have been colonial administrators a century ago. They are upper and middle class people who feel their God given  destiny is shoulder the White Mans burden and to run the lives of the lesser breeds without the law. I have often wondered if that is part of the motivation for wanting uncontrolled immigration. It is almost as if the Empire has gone so now they seem to want to compensate by  creating some sort of British Empire fantasy theme park in the UK which they will run and boss about everyone else regardless of race, colour or religion. Lots of representatives of immigrant leaders also like pander to this delusion which is why so much of their rhetoric is dated as well. The White Mans burden narrative also informs the ‘regime change’ foreign policy mentality of so many of these individuals who like the late Jo Cox were quite happy to contemplate the use of military force to overthrow foreign governments, like that of Assad, which they don’t like.
 

With regard to ER the one thing I notice that is entirely missing from their agenda is a coherent plan for phasing out the use of fossil fuels which should be the primary aim of any environmental movement as there are lots of potential benefits beyond the ecological impact which could make it a vote winner. Not least of the latter would be the elimination of expensive, disruptive and dangerous wars fought over the control of oilfields. This lack of any meaningful aim apart from a desire to boss everyone else about is why  I can’t take the likes of ER seriously. They are hallmarks of a civilisation and an old governing class in its final stages of disintegration rather a true harbinger of something new.

 

Didn't you know - everyone can use the tube. It is not even that expensive if you live in zone 1 or 2. Or if you are a celeb then you get media firms to pay for taxies for you. Problem sorted - everyone become a celeb.

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Didn't you know - everyone can use the tube. It is not even that expensive if you live in zone 1 or 2. Or if you are a celeb then you get media firms to pay for taxies for you. Problem sorted - everyone become a celeb.

Plus once you have self-driving taxi's there is absolutely zero need for third world immigrants.

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16 hours ago, Caravan Monster said:

Dr Gail Bradbrook, one of the people behind Extinction Rebellion https://risingup.org.uk/about-us The website is word salad drivel, but the first ten minutes I could be bothered to listen to of her speech from 2013 would pretty much fit in on this forum

# we are all hypocritical upper middle class champagne socialist virtue signalling faux crusties now :ph34r:

 

Tried listening. Gave up. Shes an idiot.

She seems to think economists conttoll the economy.

Shes been in academia til her 30s and has nothing to dhow. Then drufted off to the huggy feelly stuff.

Neo liberal economics.... bollocks. Ukgov spends over 50% of uk gdp. Wheres the fucking liberalism?

Shes conflating having a mortgage with everything. Literally.

One for wheels falling off he. Shes had 100ks spent and wasted.

Theres a big dollop of marxism in all this wank.

 

Shes droning on about coops wiyhout reference to how the coop ended -run by a bunch of loons.

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Tried listening. Gave up. Shes an idiot.

She seems to think economists conttoll the economy.

Shes been in academia til her 30s and has nothing to dhow. Then drufted off to the huggy feelly stuff.

Neo liberal economics.... bollocks. Ukgov spends over 50% of uk gdp. Wheres the fucking liberalism?

Shes conflating having a mortgage with everything. Literally.

One for wheels falling off he. Shes had 100ks spent and wasted.

Theres a big dollop of marxism in all this wank.

 

Shes droning on about coops wiyhout reference to how the coop ended -run by a bunch of loons.

Her new economics is basically people giving her money.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7566515/amp/Extinction-Rebellion-files-reveal-climate-zealots-paid-400-week.html

Congrats, youve invented panhandling

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I hate middle class hippies and Bradbrook is the epitomy, ER is a charity business and a lot of these are simply designed to fund and foster the interests of their founders.

The last article is particularly interesting as you get to the bottom.

'I have been an activist all my adult life and I had never before seen "courses" being set up and run like that. My spidey sense was thoroughly triggered. I realised that this group was set up to rob real activism of personnel and funds. They have been the bane of our collective existence ever since because people fall for it, part with their personal data and cash believing that they are taking part in something "green" and "good" for the planet. Reclaim the Power went on to attend and cause massive police coverage at every anti fracking camp ever since. They advertised their attendance with big splashes, in advance, on Facebook and Twitter. The police and courts then used those posts as evidence that the ENTIRE anti-fracking movement intends to commit acts of domestic terrorism. This has resulted in a number of successful exclusion injunctions being brought by oil and gas companies threatening violators with imprisonment and/or confiscation of personal wealth or property to offset their court costs.'

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10123037/extinction-rebellion-founder-central-america-luxury/

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/10/10/extinction-rebellion-funded-charity-set-one-britains-richest/

https://www.checktheevidence.com/wordpress/2019/06/22/extinction-rebellion-and-ngos/

 

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Has anyone posted this? 

xD

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7566519/Extinction-Rebellion-activists-draw-plans-attract-poor-activists-ethnic-minorities.html

Extinction Rebellion activists have drawn up plans to attract activists who are 'poor' and from ethnic minorities in a bid to change the white, middle-class make-up of the movement.

A document seen by The Mail on Sunday reveals that members have considered an 'announcement to the working class'. 

The proposed text says: 'Are you working class? We need you! We are incredibly keen to increase the socio-economic diversity of XR. If you are poor or working class and already a member, please get in touch,' with an email address underneath.

xD

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2 hours ago, Chewing Grass said:

I hate middle class hippies and Bradbrook is the epitomy, ER is a charity business and a lot of these are simply designed to fund and foster the interests of their founders.

The last article is particularly interesting as you get to the bottom.

'I have been an activist all my adult life and I had never before seen "courses" being set up and run like that. My spidey sense was thoroughly triggered. I realised that this group was set up to rob real activism of personnel and funds. They have been the bane of our collective existence ever since because people fall for it, part with their personal data and cash believing that they are taking part in something "green" and "good" for the planet. Reclaim the Power went on to attend and cause massive police coverage at every anti fracking camp ever since. They advertised their attendance with big splashes, in advance, on Facebook and Twitter. The police and courts then used those posts as evidence that the ENTIRE anti-fracking movement intends to commit acts of domestic terrorism. This has resulted in a number of successful exclusion injunctions being brought by oil and gas companies threatening violators with imprisonment and/or confiscation of personal wealth or property to offset their court costs.'

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10123037/extinction-rebellion-founder-central-america-luxury/

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/10/10/extinction-rebellion-funded-charity-set-one-britains-richest/

https://www.checktheevidence.com/wordpress/2019/06/22/extinction-rebellion-and-ngos/

 

It is bloody obvious that XR is as fake as a 9 bob note and that many of the participants are dupes. Everything about it from the types of banners and placards to the hyped media coverage screams that it is controlled by people with money and influence who are hiding a not fully declared agenda. It just feels all wrong to anyone who has ever been involved in grass roots campaigning on an issue.

 

 

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As I went out yesterday, there was a sticker on the lamppost for "animal rebellion". The symbol was a cow's head with an egg timer in it, the same as the one that was scrawled on the white horse last week. 

Sure enough, they're coming for your meat (coincidence that there is a vegan restaurant two doors down the road?)

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On 12/10/2019 at 14:04, spygirl said:

Shes droning on about coops wiyhout reference to how the coop ended -run by a bunch of loons.

I think she's on about coops as a generic set of principles rather than the expensive corner shop brand with the deviant CEO. Again this points to lack of real world experience, running a small business is hard enough, no one in their right mind is going to encumber their business with the seven commandments of coop-ism and more or less guarantee failure. 

https://www.uk.coop/the-hive/is-a-co-op-right-for-you/getting-started/co-op-movement/values-principles

Co-operative Values

Co-operatives are based on the values of self-help, self-responsibility, democracy, equality, equity and solidarity.

In the tradition of their founders, cooperative members believe in the ethical values of honesty, openness, social responsibility and caring for others.

Co-operative Principles

These seven principles are the guidelines used by co-operatives to put their co-operative values into practice. They are also principles by which you can determine whether an organisation is a co-operative or not.

1. Voluntary and open membership

2. Democratic member control

3. Member Economic Participation

4. Autonomy and independence

5. Education, Training and Information

6. Co-operation among Co-operatives

7. Concern for Community

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This is bigger than Brexit.

This is bigger than Trump being impeached.

This is bigger than Global Warming.

This is the most important thing out there - the internet is having a global meltdown. Why are so many people grumpy, irritable, and getting really depressed right now?

--->Players can't play Fortnite

I've never wanted to play Fortnite this much in my life

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-50038597

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Has this been posted?

Extinction Rebellion is paying activists up to £400 a week to lead the protests that have brought chaos to the streets of Britain, documents seen by The Mail on Sunday reveal.

This newspaper has seen claims for expenses from 168 activists, including Tamsin Omond, a baronet's granddaughter who has appeared in Tatler and rubbed shoulders with Boris Johnson – and who asked for money after ditching some public relations clients to concentrate on protests.

But they deserve it, yah?

Because, like, they're saving the planet, yah?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7566515/Extinction-Rebellion-files-reveal-climate-zealots-paid-400-week.html

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