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Libspero

Everest - Now Just A Tourist Attraction?

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The pictures of queues on Everest blew me away a bit this week,  it no longer looks like man’s greatest challenge..   more like queuing for a sun lounger at the pool on a package holiday O.o

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Am I just getting old and cynical,  or does that look more like the queue for the Sistine Chapel than “man vs the wilderness”?

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A book by Joe Simpson, “Dark Shadows Falling” goes into the details of the commercialism and lack of ethics in Everest climbing where people will step over and ignore dying humans in order to summit - because they’ve paid multiple 10’s of thousands to do so.

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Last year, I went to a ruin of a stately home, about ten miles away, in February. It was freezing, and I bought some special jam, and a coffee. Put me off Everest entirely.

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I heard a programme on this ten or twenty years ago where tour companies existed that would get you up there and back for a high price as long as you were reasonably fit.

There was an anecdote about being stuck behind one climber who was struggling to fit his brand new unused crampons onto his boots.

George Mallory it ain't.

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Saw a photo of this last week, someone so inexperienced they were wearing their helmet backwards, everyone else so inexperienced that no one had told him!

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It looks shit to me. And this from someone who loves mountains. That said, I rarely go above 3500m and into the hurty stuff even in summer, I’m a walker now, not a climber. 

That picture - no peace, extreme physical discomfort with small to medium possibility of dying(so this part separates it from queueing for the Sistine Chapel), and you’re probably adding to the existing environmental damage. All to tick a box in your head. 

An older guy (my age now but way tougher than me, no family to soften him) from my climbing club years back used to go to the Himalayas and do various summits, the names of which I’ve forgotten, but he never went to Everest. He was a climber, not a talker, I would guess that just about sums it up. 

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I watched a documentary about a group trying to summit Everest.

It looked absolutely shit. Like black Friday in Argos except at twenty thousand feet.

Even if I had the time, money and experience necessary to climb it, I wouldn't bother. I think it's fair to say that Everest has been comprehensively ruined by ego, avarice and major overcrowding.

Mont Blanc is going the same way, I think the French are considering shutting it down as they are sick of people falling off it.

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50 minutes ago, Sgt Hartman said:

I watched a documentary about a group trying to summit Everest.

It looked absolutely shit. Like black Friday in Argos except at twenty thousand feet.

Even if I had the time, money and experience necessary to climb it, I wouldn't bother. I think it's fair to say that Everest has been comprehensively ruined by ego, avarice and major overcrowding.

Mont Blanc is going the same way, I think the French are considering shutting it down as they are sick of people falling off it.

 

That fact that all these wealthy, box-ticking, environmentally-unaware people are all concentrated in one place on Everest (a place I have no interest in because it is now no more than a walk in the park), is a good thing IMO.

 

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Where's that photo from? Looks fake to me. There seems to be a massive queue if people going up but nobody coming back down.....

I think you're all a bit deluded if you think getting to the top of Everest is a stroll in the park. Experienced climbers die all the time.

 

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To follow up my own post....just checked it out and looks like photo is real, but the queue is caused by two people dying near the top...so definitely not a stroll in the park.

Death rate of those trying to get to the top is something like 5%

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6 minutes ago, choochoo said:

To follow up my own post....just checked it out and looks like photo is real, but the queue is caused by two people dying near the top...so definitely not a stroll in the park.

Death rate of those trying to get to the top is something like 5%

I'd guess that the death toll = unprepared, unsuitable, naive people with more money than sense (largely)

Sherpa climbs Everest twice in a week, setting record 24 ascents

It's more tourism than achievement

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3 minutes ago, choochoo said:

To follow up my own post....just checked it out and looks like photo is real, but the queue is caused by two people dying near the top...so definitely not a stroll in the park.

Death rate of those trying to get to the top is something like 5%

Yeah ... fattish, unfit person, not used to climate, being pushed up the stupid high mountain.

Be safer to sit at the bottom and shoot up rough smack.

 

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1 hour ago, Hopeful said:

I'd guess that the death toll = unprepared, unsuitable, naive people with more money than sense (largely)

Sherpa climbs Everest twice in a week, setting record 24 ascents

It's more tourism than achievement

The Sherpa with 24 ascents and arguably the most experienced person to comment sums up his achievement quite succinctly.

With oxygen it is no big deal!

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2 hours ago, choochoo said:

Where's that photo from? Looks fake to me. There seems to be a massive queue if people going up but nobody coming back down.....

I think you're all a bit deluded if you think getting to the top of Everest is a stroll in the park. Experienced climbers die all the time.

 

Same photo as in most major newspapers this week.

It isn’t fake,  but it is the queue of people waiting for the “ok” on the weather window.

It just isn’t what I imagined when you think of climbing Everest.

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Everest is actually one of the safest mountains in the Himalayas. There are several others nearby which have a much higher death rate.

But that is purely a percentage thing I guess as they have been climbed by far fewer climbers. Perhaps, once routes become easier, then they too will have queues of people.

A friend of mine was out there last year at a budhist monastery in the foothills, (Paid a fortune so that he could be woken up at 4am and beaten by a monk with a cane if he moved whilst meditating. He could have gone to a Dominatrix in Cardiff Bay for that.), and he said that he was shocked by the endless line of climbers hiking up to the Everest base camp.

Anyhow, they are all wimps until they climb up there as Mallory did - wearing white flannels and carrying a full silver tea service, a set of cricket wickets & bats plus a 6 by 6 foot portrait of the King. God save the King!

 

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12 minutes ago, ccc said:

More people probably die on Scottish mountains every year than Everest. 

That's because they go up with inappropriate clothes, because they think it's Disneyland.

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4 minutes ago, MrPin said:

That's because they go up with inappropriate clothes, because they think it's Disneyland.

Point remains though. An 800m Corbet in Argyll is more dangerous than Everest. 

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Just now, ccc said:

Point remains though. An 800m Corbet in Argyll is more dangerous than Everest. 

I'm sure. Same true in Wales. No hills here.

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Just now, eight said:

Well some of them fell off. One of them was unable to get down for twelve hours because of all the people coming the other way.

It seems worse than the Hajj round the M25.

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1 minute ago, The Masked Tulip said:

Virtually every Welsh woman on a dating site has a photo of herself on top of Pen Y Fan - that's a mountain and not the name of a Welsh bloke. Something seems to attract them up there.

Alien anal probes?

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