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Classic anti surveillance techniques.

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This might be useful for dosbodders to know. This is the Westminster bridge inquest 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-48476417

Mr Patterson said that there was one occasion in May when all three men were at the gym "in the dead of night" and were speaking together in the street, but one of them employed a "classic anti-surveillance technique" of leaving his telephone on the ground while they walked away and talked.

 

how does that work then?  Are there any others? 

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Look like a police officier CID in mixed areas works well...but..bit racist kinda have to be well build and white.

White estates...they will still come up and ask what you are doing.

Baseball cap time...bluff for a baliff.

Never commit anything to any form of electronic media if it can wait for a one to one to pass info.

Or...never look like a tourist and always know where the exit is😎

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1 minute ago, One percent said:

What about wigs?  They seem popular with certain dosbodders already. o.O  mentioning no names of course. 

What nonsense. My inconspicuously blonde camel does not need a wig.

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The Mission Impossible masks are a good deception especially when they're used by a lot of different people then it's possible to completely lose track of the plot.  Wear two even three or more each on top of the other.

Handy in any trial as identification is paramount.

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29 minutes ago, One percent said:

This might be useful for dosbodders to know. This is the Westminster bridge inquest 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-48476417

Mr Patterson said that there was one occasion in May when all three men were at the gym "in the dead of night" and were speaking together in the street, but one of them employed a "classic anti-surveillance technique" of leaving his telephone on the ground while they walked away and talked.

 

how does that work then?  Are there any others? 

 

The walking and talking bit makes it sound some convoluted technique but it is just poor writing IMPO.

Just that their movement was being monitored by tracking a mobile phone. At some point they left the smartphone somewhere on their route, probably when they were out of sight, and then walked away. If they were not seen walking away then it might be assumed they are still where the smartphone is.

Bit surprised that this would be openly discussed in a court but there you go.

 

 

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10 minutes ago, One percent said:

What about wigs?  They seem popular with certain dosbodders already. o.O  mentioning no names of course. 

9_9

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It's a tacit admission that all surveillance is done through your phone.

They sit in GCHQ with a whatsapp malware or whatever (probably just a direct tap into your phone these days) installed on your phone and follow your gps location while listening to your conversation.

If it was me I would create a program to start voice recording as soon as two people of interest appeared within a couple meters of each other suggesting there was a high likelihood of an interesting conversation occuring (you don't want to listen through endless hours of recordings).

By leaving the phone on the ground the phones are no longer in close proximity so no recording is automatically triggered.  It also makes it less likely that the mic can pick up your conversation over the greater distance and background noise.

 

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1 hour ago, One percent said:

This might be useful for dosbodders to know. This is the Westminster bridge inquest 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-48476417

Mr Patterson said that there was one occasion in May when all three men were at the gym "in the dead of night" and were speaking together in the street, but one of them employed a "classic anti-surveillance technique" of leaving his telephone on the ground while they walked away and talked.

 

how does that work then?  Are there any others? 

Does putting your phone on the ground make any difference at all to any eavesdropping apps/software secretly installed in it - or is it just that if you walk away some distance the receiver can't pick up what's said so easily because of the distance.  Maybe the mic being face down to the ground might make a difference.

In any event doing that would give a nearby spook, using phone tracking,  a chance to nip in and purloin the device(s) and run off to extract all the phone numbers, locations, texts, Facebook messages, twitters and secret codes etc and display them all on a huge video screen back at headquarters.

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4 minutes ago, twocents said:

Does putting your phone on the ground make any difference at all to any eavesdropping apps/software secretly installed in it - or is it just that if you walk away some distance the receiver can't pick up what's said so easily because of the distance.  Maybe the mic being face down to the ground might make a difference.

In event doing that would give a nearby spook, using phone tracking,  a chance to nip in and purloin the device(s) and run off to extract all the phone numbers, locations, texts, Facebook messages, twitters and secret codes etc and display them all on a huge video screen back at headquarters.

By hacking Whatsapp they already have all your contacts.  Assuming they can’t just hack the native OS.

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5 minutes ago, Libspero said:

By hacking Whatsapp they already have all your contacts.  Assuming they can’t just hack the native OS.

Doesn't that assume you're using WhatsApp.

The secret codes could just be in a text software.

I'm surprised they didn't think of attaching it/them to a piece of string and drop them into a litter bin or drain to be retreived later or even put it in a cavity in a wall.

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1 minute ago, twocents said:

Doesn't that assume you're using WhatsApp.

The secret codes could just be in a text software.

What if iOS has a back door?

What if Android has a back door?

What if Huawei disabled them?

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Just now, Libspero said:

What if iOS has a back door?

What if Android has a back door?

What if Huawei disabled them?

That's not unfeasable. I have quite often seen "engineer passwords" encoded into quite innocent devices, because you can.

Just now, 201p said:

Go back to posting a letter through the mail.

And on a postcard too. Nobody will look.:Old:

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10 minutes ago, Libspero said:

It's a tacit admission that all surveillance is done through your phone.

They sit in GCHQ with a whatsapp malware or whatever (probably just a direct tap into your phone these days) installed on your phone and follow your gps location while listening to your conversation.

If it was me I would create a program to start voice recording as soon as two people of interest appeared within a couple meters of each other suggesting there was a high likelihood of an interesting conversation occuring (you don't want to listen through endless hours of recordings).

By leaving the phone on the ground the phones are no longer in close proximity so no recording is automatically triggered.  It also makes it less likely that the mic can pick up your conversation over the greater distance and background noise.

 

 

It is claimed that 'The Hammer' - a US surveillance system tracos and records everything from hundreds of millions of mobile phones globally, including voice calls.

It is claimed that after 3 months the voice recordings are archived with an automatic transcript of each call being kept. It is unclear whether the actual voice call is then deleted or compressed in a longterm archive.

I suspect that awareness of the power of this tech is perhaps the main reason why, in recent years, everything has began to be so manipulated and controlled. Politicians. Media. Everyone. They have dirt on vast numbers of people.

The question is - who has access to this information? I suspect it is not just the intell services. I suspect some of the super rich do.

Future historians might have a field day though listening to pizza orders and naughty phone calls.

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9 minutes ago, Libspero said:

What if iOS has a back door?

What if Android has a back door?

What if Huawei disabled them?

Well indeed but they couldn't be sure that they had absolutely everything - some critical data like a secret code that might be on the phone and not available by backdoors.  Hidden away by a super operative at the very top of the technical spectrum.

Maybe using a new OS developed in a cave in Afghanistan.

 

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Probably true,  but you still have the needle in the haystack problem.. how do you identify items of interest from billions of hours of calls per day.

Keywords,  yes.  Still millions of false positives for people to pour through,  and how many people can you realistically employ to listen in on everyone else’s call? This kind of surveillance is really only of use once you know who you are interested in and want to build a court case.

If you are monitoring hundreds of possible suspects you want to reduce the amount of information to crawl through to a bare minimum.

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