British National to be put at the top of the housing list

[One percent]

not as controversial as it sounds as those 1.2 million visas issued last year will bestow the category of british national. Why not just make bennies contribution based?
 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12208769/British-nationals-council-housing-queue.html

British nationals will be prioritised for council housing under plans being considered by the Government, it was reported last night.

Ministers are discussing how they can include legislation in this autumn's King's Speech that would require councils to push British citizens and permanent residents higher up waiting lists than more recent migrants.

Housing is currently often allocated according to need, with priority given to those who are homeless, living in overcrowded homes or domestic abuse victims.

[Wight Flight]

25 minutes ago, One percent said:

not as controversial as it sounds as those 1.2 million visas issued last year will bestow the category of british national. Why not just make bennies contribution based?
 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12208769/British-nationals-council-housing-queue.html

British nationals will be prioritised for council housing under plans being considered by the Government, it was reported last night.

Ministers are discussing how they can include legislation in this autumn's King's Speech that would require councils to push British citizens and permanent residents higher up waiting lists than more recent migrants.

Housing is currently often allocated according to need, with priority given to those who are homeless, living in overcrowded homes or domestic abuse victims.

Erm. What council housing?

[Yadda yadda yadda]

24 minutes ago, One percent said:

not as controversial as it sounds as those 1.2 million visas issued last year will bestow the category of british national. Why not just make bennies contribution based?
 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12208769/British-nationals-council-housing-queue.html

British nationals will be prioritised for council housing under plans being considered by the Government, it was reported last night.

Ministers are discussing how they can include legislation in this autumn's King's Speech that would require councils to push British citizens and permanent residents higher up waiting lists than more recent migrants.

Housing is currently often allocated according to need, with priority given to those who are homeless, living in overcrowded homes or domestic abuse victims.

Permanent residents so not people who simply have a visa. It is completely nuts that anyone without permanent residency could get council housing.

[Frank Hovis]

A minor correctve, but a good one.

It was the 1970s that brought in the "needs based" assessment and it has all gone one way since then.

Illegal immigrant with six kids?  Here's your free house!

[Axeman123]

They need to empty out the grasping migrant cunts they have already stuffed the housing stock with. The waiting list stuff is fiddling around the edges, doubly so since they have snuck johny come lately permanent residents in as if they were nationals.

Pure political sophistry.

[Wight Flight]

2 hours ago, One percent said:

not as controversial as it sounds as those 1.2 million visas issued last year will bestow the category of british national. Why not just make bennies contribution based?
 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12208769/British-nationals-council-housing-queue.html

British nationals will be prioritised for council housing under plans being considered by the Government, it was reported last night.

Ministers are discussing how they can include legislation in this autumn's King's Speech that would require councils to push British citizens and permanent residents higher up waiting lists than more recent migrants.

Housing is currently often allocated according to need, with priority given to those who are homeless, living in overcrowded homes or domestic abuse victims.

Why not just use the system we have here?

Until you have lived on the Island for 5 years you can't even apply for social housing.

Must be legal or we wouldn't get away with it.

 

[gilf]

The problem is it's a cycle.

Council housing used to simply be a cheaper alternative to private rental, there was an element of needs based requirements but it wasn't the be all and end all.

The issue now is once you are in one you have no incentive to move out of one. This is going to sound terrible, but I mean it genuinely for a vast majority of the worlds population a standard UK council house, with damp and other related issues is 100x better than where they have come from.

Giving people free housing, which in reality is what those most in need will actually get means you then have very little incentive to move on, you almost keep yourself in a position of poverty to retain the council house.

The only solution is for people in need to be given the house on a short term basis of say 2 years, after such time they have to leave and the next person moves in, but it's simply not achieveable given the numbers of people in the country and the lack of genuinely affortable housing in the private sector.

[gilf]

41 minutes ago, Wight Flight said:

Why not just use the system we have here?

Until you have lived on the Island for 5 years you can't even apply for social housing.

Must be legal or we wouldn't get away with it.

 

I've said this a few times on here, that is the solution to many of the problems. All benefits only begin at year X and not immediately.

My solution is 15 years residency, essentially allowing those born here to get the best outcome, but 5-10 is do able.

This from my view is the whole reason we had Brexit, Cameron went to the EU wanting different rules for UK citzens and was told no (all benefits in a country need to be available to all EU citizens), the obvious answer should have been changing the UK system from the ground up by saying nonbody in the UK gets anything without say 10 years of residency. UK ciitzens get grandfathered in, new immigrates get little to nothing. UK kids get the benefits on turning 16, any child related benefits are based on the parents not the kids.

Fixes two issues, reduces the benefit burden and removes some of the attractiveness of the UK to people seeking a new place to live.

 

[Boglet]

5 minutes ago, gilf said:

The problem is it's a cycle.

Council housing used to simply be a cheaper alternative to private rental, there was an element of needs based requirements but it wasn't the be all and end all.

The issue now is once you are in one you have no incentive to move out of one. This is going to sound terrible, but I mean it genuinely for a vast majority of the worlds population a standard UK council house, with damp and other related issues is 100x better than where they have come from.

Giving people free housing, which in reality is what those most in need will actually get means you then have very little incentive to move on, you almost keep yourself in a position of poverty to retain the council house.

The only solution is for people in need to be given the house on a short term basis of say 2 years, after such time they have to leave and the next person moves in, but it's simply not achieveable given the numbers of people in the country and the lack of genuinely affortable housing in the private sector.

Or, not make the alternatives to social housing so unaffordable.

 

[Axeman123]

15 minutes ago, gilf said:

I've said this a few times on here, that is the solution to many of the problems. All benefits only begin at year X and not immediately.

Many in the EU have been saying the same thing for years, that our migrant problems are self-inflicted through out ridiculous non-contribution-based benefits schemes. That is a big part of why few EUers feel any need to stop the flow, why should they help a country that won't help itself on this issue. Blair wanted them here, and Cameron was too afraid of the "nasty party" image to do anything conservative - Obviously post Cameron the debate has moved on to other things. WTC for new arrivals was Blair's demonic masterstroke, along with paying child benefit for kids back in Poland. This country may never recover from that.

You would face the question of people that would cease to qualify and have their life upended, many with small kids. We haven't had a leader since Thatcher that would have the balls to actually tell those people "hard cheese". Once people already in receipt got an exception it would be like an immigration amnesty, everyone else would assume it would become a regular event and proceed in anticipation accordingly

[gilf]

1 minute ago, Axeman123 said:

Many in the EU have been saying the same thing for years, that our migrant problems are self-inflicted through out ridiculous non-contribution-based benefits schemes. That is a big part of why few EUers feel any need to stop the flow, why should they help a country that won't help itself on this issue. Blair wanted them here, and Cameron was too afraid of the "nasty party" image to do anything conservative

Should obviously point out, I'm not stupid enough to think they actually wanted a solution.

[UmBongo]

4 hours ago, gilf said:

The issue now is once you are in one you have no incentive to move out of one. 

I have a big incentive to move out of my council flat. Some of the other neighbours are a bit....unneighbourly. Not one of my best decisions to move to the place where I currently live. However, I'm moving on in the next few weeks.

[Austin Allegro]

They will just swear in everyone as a 'British National' in the waiting room before they see the housing officer.

[One percent]

8 hours ago, gilf said:

I've said this a few times on here, that is the solution to many of the problems. All benefits only begin at year X and not immediately.

My solution is 15 years residency, essentially allowing those born here to get the best outcome, but 5-10 is do able.

This from my view is the whole reason we had Brexit, Cameron went to the EU wanting different rules for UK citzens and was told no (all benefits in a country need to be available to all EU citizens), the obvious answer should have been changing the UK system from the ground up by saying nonbody in the UK gets anything without say 10 years of residency. UK ciitzens get grandfathered in, new immigrates get little to nothing. UK kids get the benefits on turning 16, any child related benefits are based on the parents not the kids.

Fixes two issues, reduces the benefit burden and removes some of the attractiveness of the UK to people seeking a new place to live.

 

An alternative to time bound and which would reward they type of person that would be a useful addition, would be, once you have paid x sum through taxation. That way, you could only earn your way in and not buy your way in. 

[MightyTharg]

On 19/06/2023 at 10:52, Wight Flight said:

Why not just use the system we have here?

Until you have lived on the Island for 5 years you can't even apply for social housing.

Must be legal or we wouldn't get away with it.

 

That’s just a Tory policy to make sure the handouts go to people who don’t need them. Can’t have any dirty poor people being helped.

Similar to the Covid bonanza, free heat pumps for the rich, subsidized power for homeowners etc. Right to build extensions but not build a house if you need one, etc. etc.

If you’ve managed to live for five years without being a parasite then it’s pretty clear that you don’t need the free money!

[Lightly Toasted]

On 19/06/2023 at 12:02, Axeman123 said:

You would face the question of people that would cease to qualify and have their life upended, many with small kids. We haven't had a leader since Thatcher that would have the balls to actually tell those people "hard cheese". Once people already in receipt got an exception it would be like an immigration amnesty, everyone else would assume it would become a regular event and proceed in anticipation accordingly

"Applies to new claims only."

Far from ideal but as J K Galbraith said, “Politics ... consists in choosing between the disastrous and the unpalatable.”

[Axeman123]

7 minutes ago, Lightly Toasted said:

"Applies to new claims only."

Far from ideal but as J K Galbraith said, “Politics ... consists in choosing between the disastrous and the unpalatable.”

True, but then you would only have a trickle of housing to hand out anyway.

[spunko]

On 19/06/2023 at 12:02, Axeman123 said:

Many in the EU have been saying the same thing for years, that our migrant problems are self-inflicted through out ridiculous non-contribution-based benefits schemes. That is a big part of why few EUers feel any need to stop the flow, why should they help a country that won't help itself on this issue. Blair wanted them here, and Cameron was too afraid of the "nasty party" image to do anything conservative - Obviously post Cameron the debate has moved on to other things. WTC for new arrivals was Blair's demonic masterstroke, along with paying child benefit for kids back in Poland. This country may never recover from that.

You would face the question of people that would cease to qualify and have their life upended, many with small kids. We haven't had a leader since Thatcher that would have the balls to actually tell those people "hard cheese". Once people already in receipt got an exception it would be like an immigration amnesty, everyone else would assume it would become a regular event and proceed in anticipation accordingly

Even the migrants in this country say this. I know a few EEs and they all say the same thing, it'd never happen like this back home, and (presumably non-EE) migrants are taking the right piss.