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DurhamBorn

Furlough cost,,,,,,,,same as welfare.

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really? god, i know theres a lot spent on welfare, but thats ridiculous, every month i look at my paye tax amount and i ask myself why i even bother, and yet i know and have known for many years that it doesnt cover what they spend on the dossers.

 

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6 minutes ago, leonardratso said:

really? god, i know theres a lot spent on welfare, but thats ridiculous, every month i look at my paye tax amount and i ask myself why i even bother, and yet i know and have known for many years that it doesnt cover what they spend on the dossers.

I'm thoroughly convinced the workhouses should be brought back for those of working age that can't be arsed and don't have someone else to sub their existence.

Bung them in the workhouse, supervise and regulate their existence and get them making some of the shit we rely on China for because it is cheap.

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2 minutes ago, Chewing Grass said:

I'm thoroughly convinced the workhouses should be brought back for those of working age that can't be arsed and don't have someone else to sub their existence.

Bung them in the workhouse, supervise and regulate their existence and get them making some of the shit we rely on China for because it is cheap.

My gran was really scared of the work house. Long after they were abolished. I think it was the public shame. Not sure that they would have the same effect today. No one cares if they are leeching off others, some seem to see it as a badge of honour. o.O

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17 minutes ago, One percent said:

My gran was really scared of the work house. Long after they were abolished. I think it was the public shame. Not sure that they would have the same effect today. No one cares if they are leeching off others, some seem to see it as a badge of honour. o.O

They would if they can't go anywhere like Benidorm on bennies or run a car.

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This is why I’ve been preparing for this forthcoming global recession for the last 5 years (as has many of us on here). 

With constant analysis, research and realignment with ISAs, pensions, and being frugal to budget any extra into further investing, this was always going to be the pivotal point into which our resilience will pay off.

If the over leveraged and feckless are bailed out putting the burden on the last of the very few tax payers left, then it’s time to throw in the towel. 

No mortgage for me. We will do whatever we can to not subside the system by putting our household income below the £12k tax threshold. My partner will give up work and she will rent out our property (no mortgage - in her name) and the rent will be her income. I’ll put everything I earn surplus up to my £40k allowance in my private pension, I may have to semi-retire by working a 3 day week so we remain below the tax threshold. Keep all savings below £6k. We can then claim universal credit and housing benefit and pick a long term rental at the LHA rate. We may have to have one more child to make sure we’re seen through all the way through the next 15 years on benefits.

I then have pension access and retire fully at 55 with £40k having been payed in every year on top what I already have there. 

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24 minutes ago, Sideysid said:

We may have to have one more child to make sure we’re seen through all the way through the next 15 years on benefits

Anyone who reads and appreciates these threads who has had hard work thrown back in their faces...I don't have a problem with doing this.

Just don't let clown world get it's teeth into them. I wouldn't want to be growing up now, it was shit enough without unsociable media and SJWs etc etc

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Theres the £100 billion.Just look at the spend on out of work benefits,tiny.Then look at tax credits and incapacity.Huge increases.

And the furlough the same cost.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2020/05/12/mervyn-king-calls-government-keep-furlough-open-ended/

In other words the government hands out the same amount of free money every year in benefits as it has to pay everyones wages during furlough.Maybe they should keep furlough and end welfare?.

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During 'normal' pre-covid times there are 50,000 applications a WEEK for UC.

That figure alone really exposes the myth of our supposedly healthy economy and record low unemployment statistics.

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21 hours ago, DurhamBorn said:

The incredible thing about all this furlough money is the fact by the time it ends after 8 months,it will still only equal what the government hand out every year in working age welfare payments (about £100billion).It shows the incredible amounts been handed out in welfare year in year out.

 

Not including pension payments, fuck this, im giving up working, mugs game.

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1 hour ago, Royston said:

During 'normal' pre-covid times there are 50,000 applications a WEEK for UC.

That figure alone really exposes the myth of our supposedly healthy economy and record low unemployment statistics.

last time I chekced a good few years back tehre were 1.7mn on disability allowance....

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Posted (edited)

Is PIP the new disability?

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/dwp-benefits-statistics-august-2019/dwp-benefits-statistical-summary-august-2019

Here are the main headlines about DWP benefits:

  • there were 20 million people claiming DWP benefits at February 2019
  • two thirds of benefit claimants are of State Pension age (13 million)

The rollout of Universal Credit (UC) means that the number of people claiming some older-style Working Age benefits is falling:

  • Housing Benefit (HB) fell to 3.6 million claimants in May 2019
  • Employment and Support Allowance (ESA) fell to 2.1 million claimants at February 2019
  • Jobseeker’s Allowance (JSA) fell to 251,000 claimants at February 2019
  • Income Support (IS) fell to 448,000 at February 2019

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Edited by sancho panza

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19 hours ago, DurhamBorn said:

Theres the £100 billion.Just look at the spend on out of work benefits,tiny.Then look at tax credits and incapacity.Huge increases.

And the furlough the same cost.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2020/05/12/mervyn-king-calls-government-keep-furlough-open-ended/

In other words the government hands out the same amount of free money every year in benefits as it has to pay everyones wages during furlough.Maybe they should keep furlough and end welfare?.

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Impressive effort on tax credits.......Wow.

And disability/sickenss too.

Incredible.Wellover 50%

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Be interesting to see a further breakdown of disability benefits, I wonder how much of them are getting paid out to people claiming to have 'depression' or 'social anxiety disorder' or one of the too numerous to list various naughty kid syndromes.

The problem with de-stigmatising mental health issues is that it's just become the new 'bad back' in terms of claiming disability benefits, in fact I bet there are plenty of people claiming to suffer with mental health issues not even for the purpose of getting bennies but just because it's the new trendy thing to do.

I'd also imagine those with genuine MH issues would be the least likely to successfully claim benefits as they can't face the stress of having to go through the claims process.

 

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On 30/05/2020 at 00:22, DurhamBorn said:

Theres the £100 billion.Just look at the spend on out of work benefits,tiny.Then look at tax credits and incapacity.Huge increases.

And the furlough the same cost.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2020/05/12/mervyn-king-calls-government-keep-furlough-open-ended/

In other words the government hands out the same amount of free money every year in benefits as it has to pay everyones wages during furlough.Maybe they should keep furlough and end welfare?.

_106126973_optimised-benefits-nc.png

That figure tells the whole story of `why?`...just look at the `out of work` benefit over time...the majority of the other benefits (including student loans) have been introduced/invented to artificially keep the unemployment rates low.

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3 hours ago, Royston said:

Be interesting to see a further breakdown of disability benefits, I wonder how much of them are getting paid out to people claiming to have 'depression' or 'social anxiety disorder' or one of the too numerous to list various naughty kid syndromes.

The problem with de-stigmatising mental health issues is that it's just become the new 'bad back' in terms of claiming disability benefits, in fact I bet there are plenty of people claiming to suffer with mental health issues not even for the purpose of getting bennies but just because it's the new trendy thing to do.

I'd also imagine those with genuine MH issues would be the least likely to successfully claim benefits as they can't face the stress of having to go through the claims process.

 

Good post. I'm wondering how many people on disability are simply obese. 

Edited by Craig

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9 minutes ago, Harley said:

No-one ever charts corporate benefits

Exactly, I concur the the welfare system is a disgrace but how much has been paid to 'bankers' since 2008?

Come on folks we need a balanced view......post the corporate and banker bailout amounts!! :Old:

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1 hour ago, 5min OCD speculator said:

Exactly, I concur the the welfare system is a disgrace but how much has been paid to 'bankers' since 2008?

Come on folks we need a balanced view......post the corporate and banker bailout amounts!! :Old:

Plus foreign aid, plus..........

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Fuck me....look how much tax credits and housing benefit take up together.

Housing benefit shouldn't even be a thing. The government should own 'halls of residence' type setups and if you are destitute you get to stay in that. You shouldn't get tax payers money that goes into a private landlord's pocket.

However is the essential problem here that there isn't enough jobs for everyone in the UK of working age to be working 40 hours a week?

Which is fair enough - if there's only enough work for us to work an average of 3 days a week doing productive things then fine - let's build a society where we can all opt to do that.

But that's not what we have, is it? We have a society where a smaller and smaller percentage are expected to slog it out in full time work while a larger and larger percentage are told "nah you stay at home" or "you work 16 hours a week and we'll top up the rest from these chumps wages".

If you're a single and childless person (man or woman) who works full time then is it not natural at some point to get somewhat resentful and think "what the fuck is in this for me" as you see Sharon from the estate lounging in the park with her 3 kids without a care in the world as you quickly stroll past on your lunch break.

It's one of the major reasons why I'm not chasing promotions and pay raises. Coupled with the fact that the amount I'm likely to earn extra after tax won't affect my quality of life all that much (if at all) while that the same time I'll be taking on 3 or 4 times as much stress. So that Sharon can get more of my money.

Fuck that. Not happening.

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6 hours ago, Royston said:

Be interesting to see a further breakdown of disability benefits, I wonder how much of them are getting paid out to people claiming to have 'depression' or 'social anxiety disorder' or one of the too numerous to list various naughty kid syndromes.

Those formerly on DLA are now being moved to PIP.

The PIP rules are far stricter and you have to be in a really bad way physically. They're still processing everyone which is why you have both PIP and DLA listed.

Lots of genuinely disabled folks are having to fight hard for PIP and are having their benefits slashed; the disabled are being treated more harshly than the Tax Creditors ever will be.

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On 30/05/2020 at 00:22, DurhamBorn said:

Theres the £100 billion.Just look at the spend on out of work benefits,tiny.Then look at tax credits and incapacity.Huge increases.

And the furlough the same cost.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2020/05/12/mervyn-king-calls-government-keep-furlough-open-ended/

In other words the government hands out the same amount of free money every year in benefits as it has to pay everyones wages during furlough.Maybe they should keep furlough and end welfare?.

_106126973_optimised-benefits-nc.png

Is that inflation adjusted as according to BoE website £30bn in 1978 is worth £173.41bn in 2019.

Population of UK in 1978 = 56M

Population of UK today = 67MSo 3.09bn cost of welfare per million in 1978 vs. 1.5bn cost of welfare per million today (ish)?

Edited by SillyBilly

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Just now, JoeDavola said:

 

Lots of genuinely disabled folks are having to fight... the disabled are being treated more harshly than the Tax Creditors ever will be.

Absolutely. 

This is the biggest issue with the benefits system. The genuinely disabled, especially physically disabled, ARE treated the most harshly and find it most difficult to access benefits compared to the feckless breeders, the tax credit queens and those who are willing and able to game the system with their 'social anxiety' etc

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4 minutes ago, Royston said:

Absolutely. 

This is the biggest issue with the benefits system. The genuinely disabled, especially physically disabled, ARE treated the most harshly and find it most difficult to access benefits compared to the feckless breeders, the tax credit queens and those who are willing and able to game the system with their 'social anxiety' etc

It's because they're genuinely weaker and more vulnerable and thus less likely to fight back. It's sickening. The benefits system is actually a "survival of the fittest" setup.

Edited by JoeDavola

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16 minutes ago, JoeDavola said:

 

It's one of the major reasons why I'm not chasing promotions and pay raises. Coupled with the fact that the amount I'm likely to earn extra after tax won't affect my quality of life all that much (if at all) while that the same time I'll be taking on 3 or 4 times as much stress. 

Print a few million copies of this and send it to every socialist in the country, they'll wipe their arse with it of course but it is the entire reason the system doesn't work. There is no incentive to better yourself when the "advantages" are stripped further and further back each year. We've been banging on about this for years but the talk I am hearing with regards to COVID-19 is scaring the s**t out of me now. I can't afford to bow out for a decade or two yet (the welfare state would treat me less favourably than the islamist scum washed up in a dingy in Dover yesterday) and if a load of other contributors decide they ain't been squeezed further it looks like further pressure on those of us left at the coalface. And the "obscene" money we earn (often pegged at a number like £50k in a QT audience). 

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