What's going to collapse next...

[Wight Flight]

4 hours ago, Option5 said:

Are there any on that list in a place you'd like to go too?

Even I'm not that old and sad.

Ahem. I go to one of those places every day.

 

[Option5]

5 hours ago, Wight Flight said:

Ahem. I go to one of those places every day.

 

For a holiday?

[Wight Flight]

2 hours ago, Option5 said:

For a holiday?

Work.

[CVG]

13 hours ago, Option5 said:

Are there any on that list in a place you'd like to go too?

Even I'm not that old and sad.

Steady on.

I was booked for a 4 night coach half-board break in March for £199. South to South - just to confound Spy. It was an ideal base to explore potential retirement areas from. We were also going to use it as a trial to see what these coach holidays were like.

[Option5]

2 hours ago, CVG said:

Steady on.

I was booked for a 4 night coach half-board break in March for £199. South to South - just to confound Spy. It was an ideal base to explore potential retirement areas from. We were also going to use it as a trial to see what these coach holidays were like.

I rest my case 😂

[spygirl]

2 hours ago, CVG said:

Steady on.

I was booked for a 4 night coach half-board break in March for £199. South to South - just to confound Spy. It was an ideal base to explore potential retirement areas from. We were also going to use it as a trial to see what these coach holidays were like.

I once, just once, got a very cheap coach n bed deal, just to travel to London cheaply.

Never again. The toilet stops was insane. I saved £50 but lost 4 hours.

[CVG]

20 minutes ago, spygirl said:

Never again. The toilet stops was insane. I saved £50 but lost 4 hours.

Wait until you get to my age you young tyke!

[Option5]

Hertz.

BBC News - Hertz: Car rental firm files for US bankruptcy protection
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-52780841

 

[leonardratso]

it hurts

[sancho panza]

3 hours ago, Option5 said:

Hertz.

BBC News - Hertz: Car rental firm files for US bankruptcy protection
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-52780841

 

Lot of firms would be ok long term but jsut won't get through next year.Bust is bust tho.

[Chewing Grass]

The Spanish owners of The Trafford Centre are pulling all the stops out to develop their post lockdown shopping experience and they have a plan.

1) New social distancing and hygiene procedures and more support to help 'brands' safely reopen their stores.

2) Limiting the number of people allowed into the centre.

3) Every other parking bay will be closed.

4) Mandatory one-way systems following a set route through the centre with floor stickers and staff training to ensure visitors stay socially distanced.

5) Enhanced hygiene and hand sanitation stands at entrances and key locations throughout the centre for visitors to use during their visit.

No thanks, can't be doing with enhanced bullshit, local shops and online for me thanks.

[TheCountOfNowhere]

5 minutes ago, Chewing Grass said:

The Spanish owners of The Trafford Centre are pulling all the stops out to develop their post lockdown shopping experience and they have a plan.

1) New social distancing and hygiene procedures and more support to help 'brands' safely reopen their stores.

2) Limiting the number of people allowed into the centre.

3) Every other parking bay will be closed.

4) Mandatory one-way systems following a set route through the centre with floor stickers and staff training to ensure visitors stay socially distanced.

5) Enhanced hygiene and hand sanitation stands at entrances and key locations throughout the centre for visitors to use during their visit.

No thanks, can't be doing with enhanced bullshit, local shops and online for me thanks.

If you read the history of shopping centers, IIRC, the concept came from an Italian immigrant to the US who missed the feel of an Italian town/city where you could sit next to a fountain, have a coffee, that sort of thing. 

Hardly the same now.  Might as well shop online.

[Sasquatch]

1 hour ago, Chewing Grass said:

The Spanish owners of The Trafford Centre are pulling all the stops out to develop their post lockdown shopping experience and they have a plan.

1) New social distancing and hygiene procedures and more support to help 'brands' safely reopen their stores.

2) Limiting the number of people allowed into the centre.

3) Every other parking bay will be closed.

4) Mandatory one-way systems following a set route through the centre with floor stickers and staff training to ensure visitors stay socially distanced.

5) Enhanced hygiene and hand sanitation stands at entrances and key locations throughout the centre for visitors to use during their visit.

No thanks, can't be doing with enhanced bullshit, local shops and online for me thanks.

I visit shopping centres under duress at the best of times. If someone wants to entice me back the above list is not going to do it. These days I'm only happy rummaging through vinyl in a record shop, wandering around an outdoor antiques fair, buying cheese/wine/bread in a local specialist shops. That is pretty much it for me. Mrs S shops on her own, with her mum or with the junior sasquatches. We all have a healthy understanding of what works and what doesn't. 

[Loki]

2 hours ago, Chewing Grass said:

Every other parking bay will be closed.

So cars can get the rona now?

Or just more fuckwit oneupmanship?

Tricky.

[Errol]

5 hours ago, Chewing Grass said:

The Spanish owners of The Trafford Centre are pulling all the stops out to develop their post lockdown shopping experience and they have a plan.

1) New social distancing and hygiene procedures and more support to help 'brands' safely reopen their stores.

2) Limiting the number of people allowed into the centre.

3) Every other parking bay will be closed.

4) Mandatory one-way systems following a set route through the centre with floor stickers and staff training to ensure visitors stay socially distanced.

5) Enhanced hygiene and hand sanitation stands at entrances and key locations throughout the centre for visitors to use during their visit.

No thanks, can't be doing with enhanced bullshit, local shops and online for me thanks.

Given that everything is available online, why would one go to this shopping centre?

[leonardratso]

1 hour ago, Errol said:

Given that everything is available online, why would one go to this shopping centre?

for shoplifting.

not to be confused with shirtlifting, which you can do anywhere.

[stop_the_craziness]

On 27/05/2020 at 23:15, leonardratso said:

for shoplifting.

 

OMG.  It has never occurred to me before what a kick in the teeth online retail must have been for shoplifters.

[sancho panza]

https://www.thestreet.com/mishtalk/economics/boeing-is-the-tip-of-the-layoff-iceberg

Boeing announced over 12,000 Layoffs in the wake of plane cancellations and dearth of new orders.

Boeing Co (BA.N) said Wednesday it was eliminating more than 12,000 U.S. jobs, including involuntary layoffs of 6,770 U.S. workers as the largest American planemaker restructures in the face of the coronavirus pandemic.

The job cuts include more than 9,800 employees in Washington State. Boeing said Wednesday the “several thousand remaining layoffs will come in additional tranches over the next few months.”

Fed Can Print Money But It Cannot Print Jobs

That's a nice saying but I did not come up with it. I can find at least three instances dating back to 2010.

Edited May 29, 2020 by sancho panza

[BoSon]

Except they are now printing jobs.

Spain to introduce basic income to fight poverty

Can now get paid for doing a proper non-job.

I wonder if this will come to the UK when they realise furlough is just delaying mass redundancies and instead of bailing out companies, many that deserve to fail anyway if there wasn't a virus decimating the global economy, they'll do something a bit more altruistic.

Nah, they'll continue to hand billions to those at the top pretending it's a trickle down effect when in reality it's them pissing down the plebs back and telling them it's raining. [paraphrased reference from Josey Wales ]

[sancho panza]

6 hours ago, BoSon said:

Except they are now printing jobs.

Spain to introduce basic income to fight poverty

Can now get paid for doing a proper non-job.

I wonder if this will come to the UK when they realise furlough is just delaying mass redundancies and instead of bailing out companies, many that deserve to fail anyway if there wasn't a virus decimating the global economy, they'll do something a bit more altruistic.

Nah, they'll continue to hand billions to those at the top pretending it's a trickle down effect when in reality it's them pissing down the plebs back and telling them it's raining. [paraphrased reference from Josey Wales ]

Germans taxpayers ahve a long history of loving subsidizing Southern Euro states welfare systems.

UK looks like it's going hard brexit.WOn't have many options if sterling starts to drop.

[sancho panza]

@spygirl or anyone.we were having a discussion last week or two about councils needing to balance budgets etc.which thread was it in?

 

Dare I suggest it but we could possibly do with a bankrupt councils/crap CRE investments thread....

[Errol]

Next up - All the Spanish Banks (and most of the Banks in Europe).

https://twitter.com/RaoulGMI/status/1267077555082977283

 

Edited May 31, 2020 by Errol

[spygirl]

1 hour ago, sancho panza said:

@spygirl or anyone.we were having a discussion last week or two about councils needing to balance budgets etc.which thread was it in?

 

Dare I suggest it but we could possibly do with a bankrupt councils/crap CRE investments thread....

 

The private isn't magically better or more productive than the public.

Neither does the private have magic unicorns to help with their software.

Crap private orgs go bust.

[spygirl]

31 minutes ago, Errol said:

Next up - All the Spanish Banks (and most of the Banks in Europe).

https://twitter.com/RaoulGMI/status/1267077555082977283

 

Nothing new.

https://www.ft.com/content/254bb8a8-1940-11e7-a53d-df09f373be87

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bankia

Spain n Italy are beyond fucked.

Rest of Eutope, well Germany, face a choice - kick Italy n Spain out. Or pour money in their banking system.

 

[Chewing Grass]

On 22/04/2020 at 17:45, SillyBilly said:

https://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/news/18396601.sea-view-coaches-goes-administration/

Coach businesses, many family owned/run a few coaches are lambs to the slaughter. Those packing in boomers for their day trips to garden centres or an ice cream in St Ives will be toast...

Been past a compound today (Holmeswood Coaches) stuffed full of stored coaches which reminded me of Shearings (Europes Largest Coach Tour Operator) going bust in May with a fleet of 240 Coaches most of them nearly new (or new) and now probably almost worthless.

Got me thinking that:-

1) the market will probably never recover,

2) those that survive will be paying finance on coaches that are not worth what they are financed for,

3) used coaches will be worth very little

4) the market for new coaches will be dead unless the government legislates existing diesel coaches and buses off the road.

5) unemployed coach drivers are toast