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[Stuey]

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Comment posted by Colin, today at 10:55Colin

10:55

Maybe they try cutting prices that might work better at getting people back on trains.

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Reply posted by Deltic1961, today at 11:19Deltic1961

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Maybe they try cutting prices that might work better at getting people back on trains.

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Deltic1961 replied:

Spot on. It's funny how bars, restaurants, cinemas all do deals to get people back in, but I bought my ticket uesterday and found Scotrail have just put prices up. Rail operators are totally delusional and think people will keep paying through the nose for poor service. Let's see ......

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Comment posted by just a thought, today at 10:55just a thought

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Is it just me? I'd rather they didn't spend a fortune on all these so called 'perks' & used the savings to cut the cost of tickets instead

I can then decide for myself if I want to buy a coffee or audio book with the savings......

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Reply posted by jon, today at 11:36jon

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Is it just me? I'd rather they didn't spend a fortune on all these so called 'perks' & used the savings to cut the cost of tickets insteadI can then decide for myself if I want to buy a coffee or audio book with the savings......

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jon replied:

Yep. Maybe cut all the repetitive tannoy announcements. How can we have mindfulness with “See it ,say it , sorted”

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Comment posted by Ian, today at 11:01Ian

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Lower fares and ability to get a seat are much more important than a free coffee

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Reply posted by Nandiowl, today at 11:31Nandiowl

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Lower fares and ability to get a seat are much more important than a free coffee

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Nandiowl replied:

Reducing ticket prices and getting rid of mask mandates will help get people back!!

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Comment posted by bpmkent, today at 11:05bpmkent

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3 things they should prioritise - Capacity, reliability & affordability.

When your train is cancelled and you have to get an alternative, packed, delayed train with an connection on an equally packed delayed train getting home over an hour later than you should (as I used to get when I commuted) then a cup of the cheapest coffee money can buy won't really make up for that.

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Reply posted by Nandiowl, today at 11:44Nandiowl

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3 things they should prioritise - Capacity, reliability & affordability.When your train is cancelled and you have to get an alternative, packed, delayed train with an connection on an equally packed delayed train getting home over an hour later than you should (as I used to get when I commuted) then a cup of the cheapest coffee money can buy won't really make up for that.

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Nandiowl replied:

The problem is the price of train tickets.

If we really want to reduce the amount of cars on the road, with a knock on effect on emissions, then taking the train needs to be cheaper and more convenient than driving.

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Comment posted by The bald crusader, today at 11:06The bald crusader

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Commute by car/tram including parking <£!0. Same journey by train including parking c.£40. Do you think a "free" coffee is going to tempt me?

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Reply posted by Fratton, today at 12:44Fratton

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Commute by car/tram including parking <£!0. Same journey by train including parking c.£40. Do you think a "free" coffee is going to tempt me?

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Fratton replied:

And your car goes door to door.

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Comment posted by Jamie, today at 11:23Jamie

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Journeys are more relaxing if you don't have to make them and can work from home, the genie is out the bottle. Can make coffee at home as well.

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Reply posted by Wilsons Uncle, today at 11:28Wilsons Uncle

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Journeys are more relaxing if you don't have to make them and can work from home, the genie is out the bottle. Can make coffee at home as well.

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Wilsons Uncle replied:

Very true, and ok if you have a progressive employer who supports WFH.
On a tangent a bit, but it's also the perfect opportunity to make good on climate change if the gov and employers were to support home working - thousands of journeys not made every day and tons of CO2 not emitted every day. Still, that's common sense and that just won't do.

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Comment posted by Chester, today at 11:34Chester

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Why don't you just reduce the cost of your frankly outrageous tickets?

No-one cares about Tannoys, minfulness apps, or free coffee.

Put the money into clean, new, efficient trains and cheaper ticketing please. It really is not rocket science.

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Reply posted by keith stephens, today at 12:24keith stephens

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Why don't you just reduce the cost of your frankly outrageous tickets?No-one cares about Tannoys, minfulness apps, or free coffee. Put the money into clean, new, efficient trains and cheaper ticketing please. It really is not rocket science.

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keith stephens replied:

The problem is that the train companies have to pay for gold plated pensions for unnecessary staff. We need driverless trains but the unions wont let that happen.

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Comment posted by Jantra, today at 11:20Jantra

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The only thing that would get me back on the trains would be lower prices.
Cardiff to York in two weeks standard class is £352 rtn

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Reply posted by Graham, today at 12:00Graham

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The only thing that would get me back on the trains would be lower prices.Cardiff to York in two weeks standard class is £352 rtn

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Graham replied:

Jantra....not sure when you are leaving Cardiff but on Thursday 10th I see the walk on fare is only £137.20 return for most of the day. That might still seem expensive but its a lot less than you see. Hope this helps.

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Comment posted by kimbers, today at 11:27kimbers

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UK commuters pay more per KM than anywhere else in Europe

The irony is that many of our franchises are owned by state run rail companies.

The UK government pumps £bns into these franchises with subsidies (more than it had to pay to run British Rail!)

Madness, yet people still vote Tory

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Reply posted by TimRothwell, today at 12:04TimRothwell

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to kimbers

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UK commuters pay more per KM than anywhere else in EuropeThe irony is that many of our franchises are owned by state run rail companies.The UK government pumps £bns into these franchises with subsidies (more than it had to pay to run British Rail!) Madness, yet people still vote Tory

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TimRothwell replied:

I commuted on British Rail for years. Dreadful service, filthy outdated rolling stock and at the mercy of the trade unions. Interesting that the Labour Government didn't renationalise!

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Comment posted by steve, today at 11:30steve

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What nonsense. People make train journeys to work because they have to. If they do not have to (such as WFH) they will not. The is surely common sense? These "perks" will have absolutely no bearing on whether people will use the train. Who thought this one up? Good grief

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Reply posted by Bambi, today at 12:33Bambi

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What nonsense. People make train journeys to work because they have to. If they do not have to (such as WFH) they will not. The is surely common sense? These "perks" will have absolutely no bearing on whether people will use the train. Who thought this one up? Good grief

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Bambi replied:

The idiots at the train company who don't realise what hell commuting is.

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Comment posted by SLR, today at 11:31SLR

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It is far too expensive to travel in the standard class at regular times. Cardiff to London should not be any more than £20. It is still cheaper than that to travel by car in petrol/electric. Throw in £10-15 for parking, still miles cheaper than the £87 I have to presently pay travelling off peak for a same day return. Make train travel very cheap & reserve the coffee as enema for your bosses.

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Reply posted by crod, today at 11:41crod

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to SLR

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It is far too expensive to travel in the standard class at regular times. Cardiff to London should not be any more than £20. It is still cheaper than that to travel by car in petrol/electric. Throw in £10-15 for parking, still miles cheaper than the £87 I have to presently pay travelling off peak for a same day return. Make train travel very cheap & reserve the coffee as enema for your bosses.

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crod replied:

Exactly. I went full EV last year and don't think I'll use trains again. I can't justify the cost for business travel by train v. 4p/ mile rate for electrics ( and I make a 2p/ mile profit on that) and can visit family in Salford for £10 return and Oxford for £20 return compared to £170ish for two of us by train to Oxford.

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Comment posted by return of the jock, today at 11:27return of the jock

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People can get their own breakfast. What commuters want is a seat at a price that isn't extortionate, especially compared to flying

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Reply posted by spiffcorgi, today at 12:00spiffcorgi

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People can get their own breakfast. What commuters want is a seat at a price that isn't extortionate, especially compared to flying

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spiffcorgi replied:

It's also a HILARIOUS idea that someone travelling long distance would buy a train ticket which costs £120 more than travelling by car in order to save £2 on a coffee.

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Comment posted by frazer, today at 11:18frazer

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Here’s an idea - instead of HS2 which will marginally benefit the minority - invest in high use railway infrastructure and use efficiency savings to drive down prices and increase useage

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Reply posted by What-Ever, today at 11:45What-Ever

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Here’s an idea - instead of HS2 which will marginally benefit the minority - invest in high use railway infrastructure and use efficiency savings to drive down prices and increase useage

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What-Ever replied:

Won't work.
The rail services need to be nationalised.
We're being ripped off, plain and simple.

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Comment posted by Truthbetold, today at 11:27Truthbetold

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No excuse for continuing a reduced timetable. I'm traincrew,

I'm telling you there is no staff shortage crisis, nor as there ever been one. The only crisis has been train company made decisions. It was all about saving money by not running service. The perverse thing is this. Many of the services they cut were the most popular.

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Reply posted by One tack, today at 11:33One tack

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to Truthbetold

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No excuse for continuing a reduced timetable. I'm traincrew, I'm telling you there is no staff shortage crisis, nor as there ever been one. The only crisis has been train company made decisions. It was all about saving money by not running service. The perverse thing is this. Many of the services they cut were the most popular.

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One tack replied:

Trouble is management come from college with an economics degree.
When the need is a railway worker with savvy and experience.

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Comment posted by bunyrab1t, today at 11:27bunyrab1t

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If they really want to "lure commuters back", the most effective thing to do would be to make fares more affordable. Next target, make the things run to schedule.

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Comment posted by Perton66, today at 11:40Perton66

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I travel to work on the train 3 days a week. I just want a seat, some cleanliness , a bit of peace and quiet and a reliable service. No gimmicks thanks

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Reply posted by Bambi, today at 12:40Bambi

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I travel to work on the train 3 days a week. I just want a seat, some cleanliness , a bit of peace and quiet and a reliable service. No gimmicks thanks

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Bambi replied:

We should have 2 tickets one for seated one for unseated. I would choose the latter as I sit on my arse all day I now stand on the train. This means I am less stressed as I do not have to elbow fellow commuters to secure a seat.

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Comment posted by Blue, today at 11:40Blue

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“Hey John, how do we get people back onto our trains?”

“Put money into improving railway quality, working to decrease the number of late trains, and adding extra carriages to overcrowded trains using a small fraction of the money funnelled to the top?”

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“…Put money into giving people free coffee and mindfulness apps, so the problem is with them and not us?”

“PERFECT!”

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Comment posted by Williams, today at 11:36Williams

11:36

Cheaper fares and better service might work better.

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Reply posted by john, today at 11:37john

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Cheaper fares and better service might work better.

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john replied:

Could not agree more

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Comment posted by Name, today at 11:31Name

11:31

Yes, a free coffee will definitely encourage me to use your slow, dirty, overcrowded, unreliable and hideously expensive trains. Marvellous.

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Comment posted by Strawcat, today at 10:57Strawcat

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Journeys would be more relaxing if they weren't ruined by people speaking loudly on their mobiles or streaming content on speakerphone.

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Reply posted by What-Ever, today at 11:44What-Ever

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Journeys would be more relaxing if they weren't ruined by people speaking loudly on their mobiles or streaming content on speakerphone.

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What-Ever replied:

Buy a new mercedes and drive yourself, it's cheaper than the train.

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[Bornagain]

7 hours ago, spygirl said:

The train companies and luke warm pasty sellers  seem to think people enjoyed forking out 12k after tax and spending 4h travelling to n from work.

Sack 50% of railway workers.

Reduce the remaining 5% pay by 50%.

 

 

Sums never your strong point ?

[spygirl]

3 minutes ago, Bornagain said:

Sums never your strong point ?

Typing ..

Sack 50%

Half the pay of the remaining 50%

Massive issue with UK trans.

~50% of train journeys end or start in London.

London train trips are 70% down.

 

[stop_the_craziness]

9 hours ago, spygirl said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-60140862

The journey to work is set to be a whole lot more relaxing than before for commuters hopping back on the train.

That at least is the plan: the rail industry is offering free hot drinks, access to a mindfulness app and other perks to lure people back on board.

Reminded me of this brilliant song from back in the day

On the National Express there's a jolly hostess
Selling crisps and tea
She'll provide you with drinks and theatrical winks
For a sky-high fee
Mini-skirts were in style when she danced down the aisle
Back in '63 (yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah)
But it's hard to get by when your arse is the size
Of a small country

[spygirl]

57 minutes ago, stop_the_craziness said:

Reminded me of this brilliant song from back in the day

On the National Express there's a jolly hostess
Selling crisps and tea
She'll provide you with drinks and theatrical winks
For a sky-high fee
Mini-skirts were in style when she danced down the aisle
Back in '63 (yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah)
But it's hard to get by when your arse is the size
Of a small country

I once tried to save ~£20 by NatEx from Reading to Yawk.

12h later......

Fuck that.

There are some NatEx journeys that re cheap n useful. But few n far between.

Back to 30min, Rdg Pdgton, 2h Kx to Yawk. With beers.

[wherebee]

12 hours ago, Snake Plissken said:

Its getting up at 5am in the pitch black in the winter to start a two hour journey, getting back at 7.30, constantly exhausted that gets you, not the lack of a hot drink.

although I didn't mind it too much in my 20's - back then lots of hot office totty in tight skirts on public transport, minimal stabby migrants running around, and the train companies weren't eye rippingly expensive.

No way would I do it now.

[light n dark]

7 hours ago, spygirl said:

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Comment posted by Colin, today at 10:55Colin

10:55

Maybe they try cutting prices that might work better at getting people back on trains.

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Reply posted by Deltic1961, today at 11:19Deltic1961

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Maybe they try cutting prices that might work better at getting people back on trains.

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Deltic1961 replied:

Spot on. It's funny how bars, restaurants, cinemas all do deals to get people back in, but I bought my ticket uesterday and found Scotrail have just put prices up. Rail operators are totally delusional and think people will keep paying through the nose for poor service. Let's see ......

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Comment posted by just a thought, today at 10:55just a thought

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Is it just me? I'd rather they didn't spend a fortune on all these so called 'perks' & used the savings to cut the cost of tickets instead

I can then decide for myself if I want to buy a coffee or audio book with the savings......

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Reply posted by jon, today at 11:36jon

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Is it just me? I'd rather they didn't spend a fortune on all these so called 'perks' & used the savings to cut the cost of tickets insteadI can then decide for myself if I want to buy a coffee or audio book with the savings......

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jon replied:

Yep. Maybe cut all the repetitive tannoy announcements. How can we have mindfulness with “See it ,say it , sorted”

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Comment posted by Ian, today at 11:01Ian

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Lower fares and ability to get a seat are much more important than a free coffee

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Reply posted by Nandiowl, today at 11:31Nandiowl

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Lower fares and ability to get a seat are much more important than a free coffee

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Nandiowl replied:

Reducing ticket prices and getting rid of mask mandates will help get people back!!

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Comment posted by bpmkent, today at 11:05bpmkent

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3 things they should prioritise - Capacity, reliability & affordability.

When your train is cancelled and you have to get an alternative, packed, delayed train with an connection on an equally packed delayed train getting home over an hour later than you should (as I used to get when I commuted) then a cup of the cheapest coffee money can buy won't really make up for that.

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Reply posted by Nandiowl, today at 11:44Nandiowl

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3 things they should prioritise - Capacity, reliability & affordability.When your train is cancelled and you have to get an alternative, packed, delayed train with an connection on an equally packed delayed train getting home over an hour later than you should (as I used to get when I commuted) then a cup of the cheapest coffee money can buy won't really make up for that.

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Nandiowl replied:

The problem is the price of train tickets.

If we really want to reduce the amount of cars on the road, with a knock on effect on emissions, then taking the train needs to be cheaper and more convenient than driving.

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Comment posted by The bald crusader, today at 11:06The bald crusader

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Commute by car/tram including parking <£!0. Same journey by train including parking c.£40. Do you think a "free" coffee is going to tempt me?

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Reply posted by Fratton, today at 12:44Fratton

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Commute by car/tram including parking <£!0. Same journey by train including parking c.£40. Do you think a "free" coffee is going to tempt me?

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Fratton replied:

And your car goes door to door.

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Comment posted by Jamie, today at 11:23Jamie

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Journeys are more relaxing if you don't have to make them and can work from home, the genie is out the bottle. Can make coffee at home as well.

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Reply posted by Wilsons Uncle, today at 11:28Wilsons Uncle

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Journeys are more relaxing if you don't have to make them and can work from home, the genie is out the bottle. Can make coffee at home as well.

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Wilsons Uncle replied:

Very true, and ok if you have a progressive employer who supports WFH.
On a tangent a bit, but it's also the perfect opportunity to make good on climate change if the gov and employers were to support home working - thousands of journeys not made every day and tons of CO2 not emitted every day. Still, that's common sense and that just won't do.

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Comment posted by Chester, today at 11:34Chester

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Why don't you just reduce the cost of your frankly outrageous tickets?

No-one cares about Tannoys, minfulness apps, or free coffee.

Put the money into clean, new, efficient trains and cheaper ticketing please. It really is not rocket science.

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Reply posted by keith stephens, today at 12:24keith stephens

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Why don't you just reduce the cost of your frankly outrageous tickets?No-one cares about Tannoys, minfulness apps, or free coffee. Put the money into clean, new, efficient trains and cheaper ticketing please. It really is not rocket science.

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keith stephens replied:

The problem is that the train companies have to pay for gold plated pensions for unnecessary staff. We need driverless trains but the unions wont let that happen.

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Comment posted by Jantra, today at 11:20Jantra

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The only thing that would get me back on the trains would be lower prices.
Cardiff to York in two weeks standard class is £352 rtn

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Reply posted by Graham, today at 12:00Graham

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The only thing that would get me back on the trains would be lower prices.Cardiff to York in two weeks standard class is £352 rtn

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Graham replied:

Jantra....not sure when you are leaving Cardiff but on Thursday 10th I see the walk on fare is only £137.20 return for most of the day. That might still seem expensive but its a lot less than you see. Hope this helps.

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Comment posted by kimbers, today at 11:27kimbers

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UK commuters pay more per KM than anywhere else in Europe

The irony is that many of our franchises are owned by state run rail companies.

The UK government pumps £bns into these franchises with subsidies (more than it had to pay to run British Rail!)

Madness, yet people still vote Tory

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Reply posted by TimRothwell, today at 12:04TimRothwell

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UK commuters pay more per KM than anywhere else in EuropeThe irony is that many of our franchises are owned by state run rail companies.The UK government pumps £bns into these franchises with subsidies (more than it had to pay to run British Rail!) Madness, yet people still vote Tory

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TimRothwell replied:

I commuted on British Rail for years. Dreadful service, filthy outdated rolling stock and at the mercy of the trade unions. Interesting that the Labour Government didn't renationalise!

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Comment posted by steve, today at 11:30steve

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What nonsense. People make train journeys to work because they have to. If they do not have to (such as WFH) they will not. The is surely common sense? These "perks" will have absolutely no bearing on whether people will use the train. Who thought this one up? Good grief

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Reply posted by Bambi, today at 12:33Bambi

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What nonsense. People make train journeys to work because they have to. If they do not have to (such as WFH) they will not. The is surely common sense? These "perks" will have absolutely no bearing on whether people will use the train. Who thought this one up? Good grief

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Bambi replied:

The idiots at the train company who don't realise what hell commuting is.

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Comment posted by SLR, today at 11:31SLR

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It is far too expensive to travel in the standard class at regular times. Cardiff to London should not be any more than £20. It is still cheaper than that to travel by car in petrol/electric. Throw in £10-15 for parking, still miles cheaper than the £87 I have to presently pay travelling off peak for a same day return. Make train travel very cheap & reserve the coffee as enema for your bosses.

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Reply posted by crod, today at 11:41crod

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to SLR

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It is far too expensive to travel in the standard class at regular times. Cardiff to London should not be any more than £20. It is still cheaper than that to travel by car in petrol/electric. Throw in £10-15 for parking, still miles cheaper than the £87 I have to presently pay travelling off peak for a same day return. Make train travel very cheap & reserve the coffee as enema for your bosses.

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crod replied:

Exactly. I went full EV last year and don't think I'll use trains again. I can't justify the cost for business travel by train v. 4p/ mile rate for electrics ( and I make a 2p/ mile profit on that) and can visit family in Salford for £10 return and Oxford for £20 return compared to £170ish for two of us by train to Oxford.

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Comment posted by return of the jock, today at 11:27return of the jock

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People can get their own breakfast. What commuters want is a seat at a price that isn't extortionate, especially compared to flying

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Reply posted by spiffcorgi, today at 12:00spiffcorgi

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to return of the jock

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People can get their own breakfast. What commuters want is a seat at a price that isn't extortionate, especially compared to flying

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spiffcorgi replied:

It's also a HILARIOUS idea that someone travelling long distance would buy a train ticket which costs £120 more than travelling by car in order to save £2 on a coffee.

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Comment posted by frazer, today at 11:18frazer

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Here’s an idea - instead of HS2 which will marginally benefit the minority - invest in high use railway infrastructure and use efficiency savings to drive down prices and increase useage

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Reply posted by What-Ever, today at 11:45What-Ever

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to frazer

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Here’s an idea - instead of HS2 which will marginally benefit the minority - invest in high use railway infrastructure and use efficiency savings to drive down prices and increase useage

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What-Ever replied:

Won't work.
The rail services need to be nationalised.
We're being ripped off, plain and simple.

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Comment posted by Truthbetold, today at 11:27Truthbetold

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No excuse for continuing a reduced timetable. I'm traincrew,

I'm telling you there is no staff shortage crisis, nor as there ever been one. The only crisis has been train company made decisions. It was all about saving money by not running service. The perverse thing is this. Many of the services they cut were the most popular.

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Reply posted by One tack, today at 11:33One tack

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to Truthbetold

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No excuse for continuing a reduced timetable. I'm traincrew, I'm telling you there is no staff shortage crisis, nor as there ever been one. The only crisis has been train company made decisions. It was all about saving money by not running service. The perverse thing is this. Many of the services they cut were the most popular.

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One tack replied:

Trouble is management come from college with an economics degree.
When the need is a railway worker with savvy and experience.

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Comment posted by bunyrab1t, today at 11:27bunyrab1t

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If they really want to "lure commuters back", the most effective thing to do would be to make fares more affordable. Next target, make the things run to schedule.

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Comment posted by Perton66, today at 11:40Perton66

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I travel to work on the train 3 days a week. I just want a seat, some cleanliness , a bit of peace and quiet and a reliable service. No gimmicks thanks

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Reply posted by Bambi, today at 12:40Bambi

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I travel to work on the train 3 days a week. I just want a seat, some cleanliness , a bit of peace and quiet and a reliable service. No gimmicks thanks

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Bambi replied:

We should have 2 tickets one for seated one for unseated. I would choose the latter as I sit on my arse all day I now stand on the train. This means I am less stressed as I do not have to elbow fellow commuters to secure a seat.

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Comment posted by Blue, today at 11:40Blue

11:40

“Hey John, how do we get people back onto our trains?”

“Put money into improving railway quality, working to decrease the number of late trains, and adding extra carriages to overcrowded trains using a small fraction of the money funnelled to the top?”

“…”

“…Put money into giving people free coffee and mindfulness apps, so the problem is with them and not us?”

“PERFECT!”

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Comment posted by Williams, today at 11:36Williams

11:36

Cheaper fares and better service might work better.

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Reply posted by john, today at 11:37john

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Cheaper fares and better service might work better.

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Could not agree more

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Comment posted by Name, today at 11:31Name

11:31

Yes, a free coffee will definitely encourage me to use your slow, dirty, overcrowded, unreliable and hideously expensive trains. Marvellous.

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Comment posted by Strawcat, today at 10:57Strawcat

10:57

Journeys would be more relaxing if they weren't ruined by people speaking loudly on their mobiles or streaming content on speakerphone.

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Reply posted by What-Ever, today at 11:44What-Ever

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Journeys would be more relaxing if they weren't ruined by people speaking loudly on their mobiles or streaming content on speakerphone.

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What-Ever replied:

Buy a new mercedes and drive yourself, it's cheaper than the train.

Eh?

[Volcanic]

WTF is a mindfulness app . Is it some life coach waffle? I’m sure 🥓  rolls will go down well. 

[spygirl]

13 minutes ago, light n dark said:

Eh?

Lots of people strongly disagree.

Having  free £2 cup of coffee doesnt make up for standing on a platform at 630, to get into an overcrowded train.

[Van Lady]

19 minutes ago, Volcanic said:

WTF is a mindfulness app . Is it some life coach waffle? I’m sure 🥓  rolls will go down well. 

I’m a fan of mindfulness but not apps for it.

A personal favourite book of mine is Full Catastrophe Living by Jon Kabit Zinn.

A great book full of scientific study and Buddhist philosophy. Very useful for living day to day in my opinion.

The bloke is a medical doctor and favours Buddhist philosophy. Draws on science, Buddhist philosophy, wider affairs of the world we inhabit. Also, in my opinion, a lot of common sense.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Full_Catastrophe_Living

[Roger_Mellie]

My mother in law comes to the North East from Birmingham on Megabus. Last time she mentioned something that had happened whilst they had stopped in Manchester

Hold on.... You went from Birmingham to Middlesbrough on the bus via Manchester 

[Stuey]

21 hours ago, Roger_Mellie said:

My mother in law comes to the North East from Birmingham on Megabus. Last time she mentioned something that had happened whilst they had stopped in Manchester

Hold on.... You went from Birmingham to Middlesbrough on the bus via Manchester 

Well at least she was delayed...

[DownwardSpiral]

Even though I fully agree that rail ticket prices are insane, some of the comments on that thread Spy gave me a good chuckle. Particularly the one about what you need is operational staff running the show. The railway is full of operational people at the top; in fact, you cannot be in train driver management without having driver experience - it is perhaps the industry with the greatest opportunity to rise from ops to management to exec and the industry is a shambles.

The railway’s fundamental issues are unionisation/protectionism, lack of commercial pressure to compete and the fact it hasn’t automated basic processes. This all passes through into ticket prices.

Edited January 30, 2022 by DownwardSpiral

[steppensheep]

Thameslink 9.2.2022 13:00

[Errol]

3 hours ago, steppensheep said:

Thameslink 9.2.2022 13:00

Yep. As I said on other threads, I see no difference between the trains now and in November 2021. They are stlll 50% empty even at peak times.

London is still mostly empty in the City. 

People are not going back. Hybrid working is the norm for all now.

[Virgil Caine]

8 hours ago, steppensheep said:

Thameslink 9.2.2022 13:00

Not surprised given how uncomfortable the seats are on those trains.

[ste]

Asked to go down to London office this week, declined.

Refuse to give that place money whilst they have their stupid mask rule, despite ignoring masking previously, now they are going alone feel it more important to keep my money away.

[Sugarlips]

On 28/01/2022 at 06:22, Volcanic said:

WTF is a mindfulness app . Is it some life coach waffle? I’m sure 🥓  rolls will go down well. 

What next, a diversity carriage..?

[Sugarlips]

8 hours ago, steppensheep said:

Thameslink 9.2.2022 13:00

At least it looks like they e finally retired the slam door carriages.

..and no graffiti?

[Austin Allegro]

15 hours ago, Sugarlips said:

At least it looks like they e finally retired the slam door carriages.

..and no graffiti?

The last slammers in the UK went out of service in 2005. Long before that in London, I think.

The old Routemaster buses and the 1938 stock tube carriages went out of service that year as well I think.

Can't say it's been for the better really. At least the Routemasters had windows that opened in hot weather!

[feed]

I went in last Friday night.  Essex into Liverpool street.  
Train in was rammed, standing room only.   5pm 
Train out was even more rammed, cramped standing room only.  11pm 
Tube, was rammed.  Although northern line was out of action, so that will have had some effect.

Going in just before Christmas, it was like a ghost town, really weird.
Now, Friday night, apart from the masked, it's almost normal.  
 

[GoneDark]

It's getting busier in the morning on the trains. No way near what is was pre this bullshit but it seems that companies are calling back staff. March and April will give a bigger indication as it takes time to 'reconfigure' the office.

Still lots of mask wearing but definitely a fair percentage (15-25) not bothering and I don't see any enforcement on my journeys. Just the mong announcements that its all for our safety and that the railways, tubes and buses really care about us. Ahhh shucks...

 

[Roger_Mellie]

2 hours ago, GoneDark said:

It's getting busier in the morning on the trains. No way near what is was pre this bullshit but it seems that companies are calling back staff. March and April will give a bigger indication as it takes time to 'reconfigure' the office.

Still lots of mask wearing but definitely a fair percentage (15-25) not bothering and I don't see any enforcement on my journeys. Just the mong announcements that its all for our safety and that the railways, tubes and buses really care about us. Ahhh shucks...

 

It's back. By June everyone will have pretty much forgotten the nightmare of the last 2 years. Except those of us who will never forgive or forget. 

[Errol]

3 hours ago, feed said:

I went in last Friday night.  Essex into Liverpool street.  
Train in was rammed, standing room only.   5pm 
Train out was even more rammed, cramped standing room only.  11pm 
Tube, was rammed.  Although northern line was out of action, so that will have had some effect.

Going in just before Christmas, it was like a ghost town, really weird.
Now, Friday night, apart from the masked, it's almost normal.  
 

This isn't my experience at all. London seems mostly empty still in the working week.

[Errol]

3 hours ago, GoneDark said:

I companies are calling back staff.

They did that before Christmas. It will only ever get to 50-60 percent of what it was before. For instance pretty much all the top companies in London are on full hybrid working with only 2 days in the office a week. These are proper, permanent employee policies now - nothing to do with Covid etc.

So obviously nothing is going to back to what it was before.

Edited February 10, 2022 by Errol